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Message #41131
Re: Immediate mode actions
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To:
Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
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From:
Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date:
Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:01:24 -0400
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On 6/19/19 10:08 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> Ahh, I misunderstood your earlier comments. When you said they should act the same I thought you meant both like the old immediate action behaviour, not both like the old toolbar behaviour.
>
>> On 19 Jun 2019, at 13:46, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> The immediate actions are back to the same behavior as the initial
>> commit (one shot) and using the toolbar or menu to select a tool now
>> stacks tools so each escape to exit the current tool brings up the
>> previous tool until you finally end up back at the selection tool. I
>> think users are going to expect exiting a tool to always end up back at
>> the selection tool not the previously selected tool. Here is a synopsis
>> of the behavior I think we should aim for:
>>
>> Immediate actions:
>>
>> 1. The appropriate tool should be enabled and begin drawing at the
>> current cursor location (works).
>> 2. When the tool is busy drawing, the escape key should cancel the
>> current edit and the selected tool should remain enabled. Immediate
>> actions like move, rotate, mirror, etc. should be blocked until the tool
>> is idle but I'm open to suggestion on this. I can see the utility in
>> canceling the edit and performing the requested action.
>> 3. When the tool is idle, the escape key should exit the tool and return
>> to the selection tool. Immediate actions like move, rotate, mirror,
>> etc. should perform the expected operation and return to the selected tool.
>>
>> Using the toolbar and menu to select a tool should behave the same as
>> above except that no drawing begins at the current cursor position
>> because the cursor position is meaningless while it's over a toolbar
>> button or menu entry.
>>
>> I hope I am explaining this well enough.
>>
>> On 6/18/19 5:35 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> OK, next attempt is in. ;)
>>>
>>>> On 18 Jun 2019, at 21:07, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Better but now the second (third, fourth, fifth, ...) escape key does
>>>> not exit after the first escape key cancels the immediate action. Using
>>>> the toolbar or menu to select the tool does work correctly. One other
>>>> new oddity is that selecting a second tool using the toolbar or menu
>>>> will result in the previous tool being selected rather than the
>>>> selection tool after escape is pressed when the tool is idle. I think
>>>> you may have gone too far the other way.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/19 3:52 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>>>
>>>>> I checked in some new code. Give it a go when you get a chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Jeff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Jun 2019, at 13:01, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wire, bus, graphic line, and sheet but only when enabled with an
>>>>>> immediate hotkey. When I enable the tool via a toolbar button or
>>>>>> selecting a menu entry, then the behavior is the same as the legacy tool
>>>>>> framework. It really should not matter how a tool is enabled, only the
>>>>>> initial behavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/2019 7:53 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wrote the whole PushTool/PopTool stuff exactly for that case. Which action in particular is going back to the SelectionTool?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Note that some are “supposed” to. If you click on a tool in the toolbar, or select it from the Place menu, then cancelling should take you back to the SelectionTool. However, if you use the context menu or a hotkey, it should push and then pop the drawing tool. Not to say that it’s not buggy, or that the design behaviour isn’t optimal.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Jeff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: should I make the same changes to Pcbnew, or should be await more feedback? (Feedback on the forums has been uniformly positive so far, but pretty sparse with only 3 likes.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:48, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Jeff,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I spent some time this morning playing around with the "immediate"
>>>>>>>> hotkeys in Eeschema and it's better but there is still one annoying
>>>>>>>> difference from the legacy behavior. When cancelling (escape key) a
>>>>>>>> drawing in progress, the drawing is aborted, the current tool is
>>>>>>>> canceled, and the selection tool is enable. The legacy behavior was
>>>>>>>> abort the drawing in progress and keep the current tool enabled. The
>>>>>>>> current tool would only be canceled when it was not busy drawing
>>>>>>>> something. It's rather cumbersome to have to keep enabling the drawing
>>>>>>>> tool every time you exit a drawing when you make a mistake.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2019 3:45 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I’ve checked in code which makes the drawing hotkeys “immediate” in Eeschema and the Symbol Editor. It was more involved than I was expecting, so there may be some nasty surprises.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I folks like it, I can apply the same architecture to Pcbnew.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Jeff.
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>>>>>
>>>
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