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[Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I have not yet been able to get 10.11 to build with ngspice 30.  I
will only look for a little bit.  Our policy would have us upgrade to
10.12 as a minimum requirement anyway, since 10.11 no longer gets
security updates.

Adam

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:03 PM Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I do not personally use ngspice.  I have filed an issue if someone has a quick one to add.
>
> https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-mac-builder/issues/90
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 9:43 PM Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Good news, it seems like we managed to make the kicad-mac-packaging
>> scripts happy.
>>
>> After upgrading to ngspice 30 we had to update the include path for
>> some unknown reason. But it seems like it should work now. The first
>> build has been pushed to the nightly download location. It is not been
>> repackaged for stable. I guess Adam will handle that if we don't
>> release a 5.1.3 before.
>>
>> But I don't think it is ready for primetime yet, first user of the build says:
>>
>> <{HD}> haha so hitting the play button crashed all of kicad
>> <{HD}> yep, just tried again. The whole thing crashes.
>> <{HD}> This is fun and all but I am going out for dinner. I will be
>> back in a few hours.
>>
>> So if anyone else on mac could try it out? Maybe you Jeff can try it out?
>> I think he tested the unified version:
>> https://kicad-downloads.s3.cern.ch/osx/nightly/kicad-unified-20190701-113048-53e18489e-10_14.dmg
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 11:16, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > I see no reason to make ngspice 30 a strict minimum requirement.
>> >
>> > Lets just help packagers update to the latest ngspice and we are good.
>> >
>> > tor. 13. jun. 2019 18.33 skrev Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> >>
>> >> On 6/10/19 4:01 PM, Carsten Schoenert wrote:
>> >> > Hello Wayne,
>> >> >
>> >> > Am 10.06.19 um 20:15 schrieb Wayne Stambaugh:
>> >> >> We cannot make ngspice 30 the minimum version.  There are far too many
>> >> >> linux distros where 30 is not available yet.  Please keep in mind,
>> >> >> Debian stable and the latest Ubuntu LTS version are the benchmarks for
>> >> >> dependency package versions.  I'm fine with packaging macos and windows
>> >> >> with 30.
>> >> >
>> >> > current Debian stable (Stretch) has KiCad version 4.0.5+dfsg1-4 in the
>> >> > archive and no package libngspice0 at all (not even in non-free) so
>> >> > there is nothing to take care on here.
>> >> >
>> >> > The current Ubuntu LTS release 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) has KiCad version
>> >> > 4.0.7+dfsg1-1ubuntu2 and libngspice0 version 27-1.
>> >> > At least the KiCad version is long long outdated. So also not really
>> >> > relevant too.
>> >> >
>> >> > But all relevant current Debian releases are providing a recent KiCad
>> >> > version and also libngspice0 in version 30.2-1 (from unstable to
>> >> > stretch-backports). This is also available in all Downstream of Debian
>> >> > means also in Ubuntu >= 'Cosmic Cuttlefish' are providing KiCad
>> >> > 5.0.0+dfsg1-2, but also libngspice0 in version 27. Updates wont happen.
>> >> >
>> >> > But Jean-Samuel Reynaud is providing actual versions of KiCad and also
>> >> > the depending libngspice0 package and they even work in the always
>> >> > outdated Linux Mint distro. So for me your requirements you like to set
>> >> > are fulfilled.
>> >> >
>> >> > And normally the application is defining the requirements. Simulations
>> >> > seems to be for some users an critical option. So if the maintainers of
>> >> > ngspice hardly suggesting to use the most recent version of ngspice in
>> >> > recent KiCad version I would strongly consider to increase this build
>> >> > dependency.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the end it's up to the KiCad maintainers to define the requirements
>> >> > for KiCad. It was a long road to get ngspice into Debian main but in the
>> >> > end it happened, big thanks to Holger again btw! So Debian has no
>> >> > problem to provide KiCad with a depending libngspice0 library >= 30.2.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Is this a problem for any of the other package devs?  If not, I have no
>> >> issue with bumping the minimum version to 30.  If this prevents any
>> >> other platforms from being built, then it will have to wait.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Wayne
>> >>
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