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[Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Adam

I did add a testing instruction to your issue.

I am a bit curious about what the build error is that you see for mac
10.11 and ngspice 30. The other build you do are called 11.14. I
assume 11.14 does not work on 11.12.

It looks like the nightlies from the old nightlies build are better,
the tester said:

<{HD}> nickoe: I guess the last build was wack. I updated last night
and the new build fixes most of the issues I was experiencing with
eeschema.

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 17:24, Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I have not yet been able to get 10.11 to build with ngspice 30.  I
> will only look for a little bit.  Our policy would have us upgrade to
> 10.12 as a minimum requirement anyway, since 10.11 no longer gets
> security updates.
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:03 PM Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > I do not personally use ngspice.  I have filed an issue if someone has a quick one to add.
> >
> > https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-mac-builder/issues/90
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 9:43 PM Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good news, it seems like we managed to make the kicad-mac-packaging
> >> scripts happy.
> >>
> >> After upgrading to ngspice 30 we had to update the include path for
> >> some unknown reason. But it seems like it should work now. The first
> >> build has been pushed to the nightly download location. It is not been
> >> repackaged for stable. I guess Adam will handle that if we don't
> >> release a 5.1.3 before.
> >>
> >> But I don't think it is ready for primetime yet, first user of the build says:
> >>
> >> <{HD}> haha so hitting the play button crashed all of kicad
> >> <{HD}> yep, just tried again. The whole thing crashes.
> >> <{HD}> This is fun and all but I am going out for dinner. I will be
> >> back in a few hours.
> >>
> >> So if anyone else on mac could try it out? Maybe you Jeff can try it out?
> >> I think he tested the unified version:
> >> https://kicad-downloads.s3.cern.ch/osx/nightly/kicad-unified-20190701-113048-53e18489e-10_14.dmg
> >>
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 11:16, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I see no reason to make ngspice 30 a strict minimum requirement.
> >> >
> >> > Lets just help packagers update to the latest ngspice and we are good.
> >> >
> >> > tor. 13. jun. 2019 18.33 skrev Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 6/10/19 4:01 PM, Carsten Schoenert wrote:
> >> >> > Hello Wayne,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Am 10.06.19 um 20:15 schrieb Wayne Stambaugh:
> >> >> >> We cannot make ngspice 30 the minimum version.  There are far too many
> >> >> >> linux distros where 30 is not available yet.  Please keep in mind,
> >> >> >> Debian stable and the latest Ubuntu LTS version are the benchmarks for
> >> >> >> dependency package versions.  I'm fine with packaging macos and windows
> >> >> >> with 30.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > current Debian stable (Stretch) has KiCad version 4.0.5+dfsg1-4 in the
> >> >> > archive and no package libngspice0 at all (not even in non-free) so
> >> >> > there is nothing to take care on here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The current Ubuntu LTS release 18.04 (Bionic Beaver) has KiCad version
> >> >> > 4.0.7+dfsg1-1ubuntu2 and libngspice0 version 27-1.
> >> >> > At least the KiCad version is long long outdated. So also not really
> >> >> > relevant too.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But all relevant current Debian releases are providing a recent KiCad
> >> >> > version and also libngspice0 in version 30.2-1 (from unstable to
> >> >> > stretch-backports). This is also available in all Downstream of Debian
> >> >> > means also in Ubuntu >= 'Cosmic Cuttlefish' are providing KiCad
> >> >> > 5.0.0+dfsg1-2, but also libngspice0 in version 27. Updates wont happen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But Jean-Samuel Reynaud is providing actual versions of KiCad and also
> >> >> > the depending libngspice0 package and they even work in the always
> >> >> > outdated Linux Mint distro. So for me your requirements you like to set
> >> >> > are fulfilled.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And normally the application is defining the requirements. Simulations
> >> >> > seems to be for some users an critical option. So if the maintainers of
> >> >> > ngspice hardly suggesting to use the most recent version of ngspice in
> >> >> > recent KiCad version I would strongly consider to increase this build
> >> >> > dependency.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In the end it's up to the KiCad maintainers to define the requirements
> >> >> > for KiCad. It was a long road to get ngspice into Debian main but in the
> >> >> > end it happened, big thanks to Holger again btw! So Debian has no
> >> >> > problem to provide KiCad with a depending libngspice0 library >= 30.2.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Is this a problem for any of the other package devs?  If not, I have no
> >> >> issue with bumping the minimum version to 30.  If this prevents any
> >> >> other platforms from being built, then it will have to wait.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >>
> >> >> Wayne
> >> >>
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