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[Diego Herranz <diegoherranz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I've been testing this dialog and I think it is a nice addition. Thanks!

There seems to be something wrong with the area calculation, though. See
image below:
[image: area.png]

Thanks,
Diego

On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:18, Ian McInerney <Ian.S.McInerney@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> Alexander,
>
> Instead of declaring the 2 static variables separately, I would suggest
> creating a struct for the settings then store that as the static variable.
> For an example of this see the dialog_create_array.cpp file. This way if
> any new options must be added in the future, they can just be added to the
> struct very easily.
>
> -Ian
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:39 PM Alexander Shuklin <jasuramme@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Damn ><,
>> don't use last patch, please.
>> It doesn't count total vias amount. Use this one.
>>
>>
>> Понедельник, 22 июля 2019, 22:14 +03:00 от Alexander Shuklin <
>> jasuramme@xxxxxxx>:
>>
>> Hi,
>> thanks for sharing experience, as I never used that translations or
>> wxWidgets before. And I have no idea where else could I get that
>> information. ))
>> So, there's the patch with vias information and some tiny improvements.
>>
>>
>> Понедельник, 22 июля 2019, 13:34 +03:00 от Ian McInerney <
>> ian.s.mcinerney@xxxxxxxx>:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:03 AM Dino Ghilardi <dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx
>> <http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alexander,
>>
>> One possible solution for the translation could be put the ":" in a
>> different column of the table and right-align the field description text
>> (so all the colons will be aligned). A rapid google search shown that in
>> French and Vietnamese there should be a space before the colon, while in
>> the rest of the world there is not, so having the translation for the
>> ":" word seems to make sense. Also another question arises: Is there
>> some language in which the colon should be another character before the
>> word? (I'm thinking about spanish where the question mark upside-down
>> appears before a question...)? ...conclusion: keeping "Height:" and
>> "Height" as two different words seem to be the solution that gives
>> maximum flexibility to translators.
>>
>>
>> This actually doesn't give them as much flexibility. When translations
>> are done, they need to examine the entire string that needs translating, so
>> the ":" character should be included in the string. Separating out the two
>> portions is the equivalent of saying that every lanugage will follow the
>> same compositional rules.
>>
>>
>> Another possible solution (probably better then the one above since it
>> just removes the problem) is to remove the ":" and have the cell borders
>> in a different color, just like the tables in the "board setup" dialog
>> (so that you can also take a look at that code to solve also the color
>> problem seeing how it was solved there). The advantage of this approach
>> is also having a more consistent "look" through all the dialogs.
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S. (a little bit off-topic):
>> If you move the statistic window and check/uncheck one of the checkboxes
>> ("subctract holes...." or "Exclude components...") the window "jumps" to
>> the center of the screen (its default position on open): do you have
>> also this behaviour or it is just on my debian-linux with gtk3?
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dino.
>>
>> On 22/07/19 10:13, Alexander Shuklin wrote:
>> > Hi!
>> > I'll have a look to add vias count to dialog.
>> > There's some questions:
>> >
>> > 1)I don't have too much experience with wxdialogs. There was commit on
>> > master, which says:
>> >  >> remove settings for fg/bg color: the result is unpredictable: was
>> > black texts on black background on my computer.
>> > And now I have all tables with data just in white boxes. Is it how it
>> > meant to be, or just some misbehavior on different systems? I use
>> > archlinux x64 OS.
>> > there's screenshot in attachment
>> >
>> > 2) Can we use something like _( "Height" ) + ":" for translation, not
>> _(
>> > "Height:" )? As far as I understand, now we will need to have 2
>> > translations, first for "Height" and second for "Height:" but that's
>> > basically same word.
>> >
>> >     Воскресенье, 21 июля 2019, 23:42 +03:00 от Dino Ghilardi
>> >     <dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx
>> <http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx>>:
>> >
>> >     Makes sense.
>> >     Instead of a generic "via count" a more complete table similar to
>> the
>> >     one generated in the drill report file could be useful, but may be
>> it
>> >     can became quite long if a lot of different drill sizes are used
>> (ok,
>> >     scrollbars are made to handle that).
>> >     Also having "vias", "blind vias" and "microvias" count man make
>> sense
>> >     (or at least having something like "microvias used: yes/no"), just
>> to
>> >     have in board statistics the information about the need of an
>> advanced
>> >     pcb manufacturing process.
>> >
>> >
>> >     Cheers,
>> >     Dino.
>> >
>> >
>> >     On 21/07/19 20:54, Mark Roszko wrote:
>> >      > > Since making every hole in the pcb costs time,  manufacturers
>> >      > calculate the price of the PCB using also that number.
>> >      >
>> >      > A long time ago, holes cost alot. These days if your
>> manufacturer is
>> >      > charging alot per hole, you should run far away. Usually
>> >     manufactuers
>> >      > include 20k-40k holes in the base price per panel before they
>> start
>> >      > charging you tiny penny amounts for more in some increments of
>> >      > thousands. The CNC machines these days as blazing fast at making
>> the
>> >      > holes required and they charge more for the drill bit being worn
>> >     down
>> >      > than the time.
>> >      >
>> >      > What does actually cost money is via type and size. Blind vias
>> make
>> >      > layer stackups a pain in the butt and micro vias needing lasers.
>> >      > And also going below some via size can significantly add cost
>> >     even if
>> >      > not at microvia size because it requires different machines with
>> >     more
>> >      > precision and smaller drill bits.
>> >      >
>> >      >
>> >      > If anything I would say to break down the statistics based on via
>> >     type.
>> >      >
>> >      > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:55 PM Dino Ghilardi
>> >     <dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx
>> <http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx>
>> <mailto:dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx
>> <http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx>>
>> >      > <mailto:dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx
>> <http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx>>>
>> wrote:
>> >      >
>> >      > I just tried the board statistics dialog and looks good, I like
>> it.
>> >      >
>> >      > A thing I'd like to have to make it better is adding the number
>> >     of vias
>> >      > to the statistics: Since making every hole in the pcb costs time,
>> >      > manufacturers calculate the price of the PCB using also that
>> number.
>> >      >
>> >      > Also the option to save or print a text with the statistics
>> report
>> >      > would
>> >      > be nice.
>> >      >
>> >      >
>> >      > Cheers,
>> >      > Dino.
>> >      >
>> >
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