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Re: The LiVES Project


Hi David,
thanks for your response to my message.

2010/3/22 David Planella <david.planella@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> El Sa 20 de 03 de 2010 a les 13:48 +0000, en/na salsaman va escriure:
>> Hello,
>> this is my first message to this mailing list. I am the main
>> developer/maintainer of the LiVES Project (http://lives.sourceforge.net)
>> First of all I would like to thank the launchpad team for providing such
>> a great service. Thanks to launchpad, translation is underway in over 25
>> languages with new ones being added regularly. Secondly, thanks to all
>> of the many translators who have contributed to LiVES translations.
> Awesome.
>> However, not all is good news. I was recently checking out one of the
>> translations (Brazilian Portuguese) and I noted a problem with the user
>> interface. Now LiVES is a very complex tool and it has to show a lot of
>> information/options on the screen. I have spent a lot of time (many
>> hours) making sure that everything fits nicely. The problem I noted was
>> with menubar entries. In the translation, these are somewhat longer than
>> in the original, which means that the menubar is actually wider than the
>> screen, which cause problems in th GUI. I have done what I can to fix
>> this, but there is a limit to what I can do.
> There is something else you can do as well: you can use translator
> comments. These comments get extracted by xgettext when you are building
> the POT template and then they are put there. Launchpad supports these
> comments and shows them to translators.
> For you as a developer, it is as simple as adding a C comment on the
> line above the string (either good-old /**/ comments or C99, C++-like //
> comments). E.g.
> /* TRANSLATORS: try not to use more than approx. 12 characters */
> printf(_("Short string"));
> You'll see if this works if after creating your POT template the
> "TRANSLATORS: ..." string appears in it. Note that the use of all-caps
> TRANSLATORS is only a convention, it is not required for the comment to
> be extracted.

I'm sorry, could you explain a bit more about translator comments ?
Are you saying that the comment has to start with the word
Translators: ?

I have tried adding comments, e.g.:


if you look at lines 703 - 707 for example, but these comments do not
appear in Launchpad.

>> The solution is to keep menubar entries as short as possible. For
>> example, the English "To_ys" is translated in pt_BR as "Brinquedos
>> [_Y]". First of all, it is not that important to keep menu accelerators
>> the same, so the translation "_Brinquedos" would suffice.
> I've seen this happening in some translations, and the way this can be
> solved is to train translators through translation teams and use a
> slightly more tightened translations policy if you care for quality.
> I've noticed that LiVES is translated with Open permissions. This is ok
> if that is your decision, but perhaps you could consider using another
> permission policy that puts the balance more on the quality rather than
> on the quantity of translations.
> The Launchpad help page summarizes the permission policies very well:
>  https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/PermissionPolicies
> I'd personally recommend using a Restricted or Structured policy,
> assigned to the Launchpad Translators group [1] [2]
> With this type of permission, everyone with a Launchpad account will be
> able to submit translations, which will then have to be reviewed by a
> group of trusted translators before being included in the program.
> Using the code analogy, a Restricted policy is like with a distributed
> revision control system and branches, where everyone can create their
> own branches and merge proposals (translation suggestions), but these
> merge proposals must be reviewed by experienced developers before being
> merged to the codebase.
> Having Open permissions for translation is like having an open
> repository where everyone can commit. While this is great for having
> lots of translations in little time, in my experience the quality of
> these translations greatly suffers.

OK, thanks for the tip - I will review the policies as you suggest.
Maybe it would be good to leave it open for a while longer and then
ask for reviews of all the translations (is that possible ?).

>> Secondly, I would like to ask that translators actually test the
>> application they are translating. If that had been done in this case,
>> surely somebody would have noted the menubar problems and for example,
>> shortened "_Brinquedos" to "_Brinq.s" or something similar.
>> OK, I am not complaining:- this is just general advice for translators
>> of this particular project.
> Thanks a lot for the advice, I'm sure translators appreciate it.
>>  A question then for the launchpad team - I
>> would like to post the above information on the project translation
>> page, e.g. as "General advice for translating this project". My
>> suggestion is that you allow developers/project maintainers to add
>> advice specific to their project.
> That's actually a good point, and it has been discussed in the past. As
> an alternative, this might fulfill part of the requirement:
> You can also add a comment to the template itself in Launchpad:
> https://translations.launchpad.net/lives/trunk/+pots/lives/+edit by
> editing the description. This description will then be shown in
> https://translations.launchpad.net/lives/trunk/+pots/lives
> I hope you can find this info useful.

What I have done for now is to make sure the very first message which
comes up is actually addressed to translators. It points them the URL
of a readme:


which as you can see has a simple test plan to make sure the GUI works
as intended.

Having said that, I had to fiddle with the code to get this to come up
as the first string. it would still be nice to have a link on the
project page that would show that same information. I can't imagine it
would be that much work for Launchpad to implement it.

> By the way, translators, here's where you can start translating the
> project:
>  https://translations.launchpad.net/lives/trunk
> Happy translating!
> Regards,
> David.

Thanks for the plug :-) I had to release a new version yesterday due
to the discovery of a bug in the prior release - so thanks to anyone
who responded before that, and keep up the good work for the next
release !



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