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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (Caroline Ford)
2. Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell]) (Neal McBurnett)
3. Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell]) (Vid Ayer)
4. Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell]) (Matthew East)
5. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (Sarah Hobbs)
6. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (Jeroen Vermeulen)
7. my email ( ?? )
8. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (( ``-_-?? ) -- Fernando)
9. Re: Unsubscribe e-mails (Alex Muntada)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:04:07 +0000
From: "Caroline Ford" <caroline.ford.work@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
To: "Matthew Revell" <matthew.revell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Bruce Cowan <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
launchpad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<cbc01cde0802281104l36f93034n371c2240d1d9a16@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 28/02/2008, Matthew Revell <matthew.revell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 21/02/2008, Bruce Cowan <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > There seem to be a large number of people sending "I want to stop
> > getting e-mails" messages. Don't these people realise what they're going
> > to get when they subscribe to this list? It ought to be more clear for
> > them.
>
>
> Any thoughts on how it could be more clear would be greatly
> appreciated! Perhaps we could have a message saying, "If you subscribe
> to this list you will receive at least five emails per day."
>
> There's a pretty big message on the sign-up page about ShipIt already
> so we could add it there.
As most have non English names perhaps some overdue localisation would help?
Caroline
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:10:28 -0700
From: Neal McBurnett <neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell])
To: Matthew East <mdke@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: launchpad-users <launchpad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, HggdH
<hggdh2@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20080228191028.GL1038@feynman>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 05:59:41PM +0000, Matthew East wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM, HggdH <hggdh2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 12:31 +0000, Matthew Revell wrote:
> > Matthew, this is exactly my point: if you trust someone to provide the
> > real name (but (can|elect) not to check it), then there is no real need
> > to ask for a real name. I prefer to be honest also -- and this forced me
> > to withdraw.
>
> I sympathise with your problem and agree with your position. However,
> I have the feeling from your email that you are eliding Canonical with
> Ubuntu a little too closely - I hope that the inability to participate
> in the Launchpad beta tester program has not affected your
> participation in Ubuntu.
>
> Don't forget that while funded by the same company, Launchpad is a
> separate project to Ubuntu and does not have common decision making
> processes. If a Launchpad policy begins to affect Ubuntu as a project,
> then of course the two projects will get together and discuss those
> issues, but it seems to me that this particular issue only affects
> participation in the Launchpad project. It's not something that the
> Ubuntu project has a say in.
Yes, Launchad is independent and can set its own processes. I think
it would get more support if they made more sense, and as I wrote
before, I think resolving this sort of problem with a federated
identity scheme would benefit all of us. But hey, I think that about
a lot of stuff out there I don't agree with, and I'm pretty picky and
opinionated :-)
But this is also about the Fridge, which is part of Ubuntu, as Vid
pointed out in this same thread:
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 11:20:15PM -0800, Vid Ayer wrote:
> I'd like to add my zero paise worth here because I believe a part of
> this discussion is indirectly related... it started when the fridge
> editors (I am one) were required to be a part of the LP-beta testers
> team and I offered to leave the team because I have been rejected from
> the team for not agreeing to the real name policy. One of the
> Canonical employees was nice enough to understand my points, take up
> the issue but was unable to change the real name policy, which I
> believe is the *best* way to lose technical contributors.
Where does this aspect of the problem stand? Why do the fridge
editors need to be part of lp-beta? If they do, why does this policy
affect them?
Neal McBurnett http://mcburnett.org/neal/
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:55:38 +0530
From: "Vid Ayer" <svaksha@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell])
To: "Neal McBurnett" <neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: launchpad-users <launchpad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, HggdH
<hggdh2@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<12470af00802281125t211012a5q416d4743a5edb8c1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On 2/29/08, Neal McBurnett <neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 05:59:41PM +0000, Matthew East wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:21 PM, HggdH <hggdh2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 12:31 +0000, Matthew Revell wrote:
> > > Matthew, this is exactly my point: if you trust someone to provide the
> > > real name (but (can|elect) not to check it), then there is no real need
> > > to ask for a real name. I prefer to be honest also -- and this forced me
> > > to withdraw.
> >
> > I sympathise with your problem and agree with your position. However,
> > I have the feeling from your email that you are eliding Canonical with
> > Ubuntu a little too closely - I hope that the inability to participate
> > in the Launchpad beta tester program has not affected your
> > participation in Ubuntu.
> >
> > Don't forget that while funded by the same company, Launchpad is a
> > separate project to Ubuntu and does not have common decision making
> > processes. If a Launchpad policy begins to affect Ubuntu as a project,
> > then of course the two projects will get together and discuss those
> > issues, but it seems to me that this particular issue only affects
> > participation in the Launchpad project. It's not something that the
> > Ubuntu project has a say in.
>
> Yes, Launchad is independent and can set its own processes. I think
> it would get more support if they made more sense, and as I wrote
> before, I think resolving this sort of problem with a federated
> identity scheme would benefit all of us. But hey, I think that about
> a lot of stuff out there I don't agree with, and I'm pretty picky and
> opinionated :-)
>
> But this is also about the Fridge, which is part of Ubuntu, as Vid
> pointed out in this same thread:
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 11:20:15PM -0800, Vid Ayer wrote:
> > I'd like to add my zero paise worth here because I believe a part of
> > this discussion is indirectly related... it started when the fridge
> > editors (I am one) were required to be a part of the LP-beta testers
> > team and I offered to leave the team because I have been rejected from
> > the team for not agreeing to the real name policy. One of the
> > Canonical employees was nice enough to understand my points, take up
> > the issue but was unable to change the real name policy, which I
> > believe is the *best* way to lose technical contributors.
>
> Where does this aspect of the problem stand? Why do the fridge
> editors need to be part of lp-beta? If they do, why does this policy
> affect them?
When I raised this issue in Jan on the fridge-devel list it was
because our closed list was being moved and we were trying to become
an open list. It was then that I raised the same concerns that many
others raised here in the hope of finding a solution, not turn it into
a witch-hunt and weed out people who dont use a full real name. That's
kinda sad and in retrospect I wish I had not pointed out the lacunae
at all.
Vid
|| http://www.svaksha.com ||
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:36:50 +0000
From: "Matthew East" <mdke@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Requiring full name to join ~launchpad-beta-testers (was:
Re: [Fwd: hggdh2 deactivated by matthew.revell])
To: "Neal McBurnett" <neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: launchpad-users <launchpad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, HggdH
<hggdh2@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<3bd91160802281536k27ad00eft7c1a1eb6ca2c9dc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Neal McBurnett <neal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 05:59:41PM +0000, Matthew East wrote:
> > Don't forget that while funded by the same company, Launchpad is a
> > separate project to Ubuntu and does not have common decision making
> > processes. If a Launchpad policy begins to affect Ubuntu as a project,
> > then of course the two projects will get together and discuss those
> > issues, but it seems to me that this particular issue only affects
> > participation in the Launchpad project. It's not something that the
> > Ubuntu project has a say in.
>
> But this is also about the Fridge, which is part of Ubuntu, as Vid
> pointed out in this same thread:
{snip}
> Where does this aspect of the problem stand? Why do the fridge
> editors need to be part of lp-beta? If they do, why does this policy
> affect them?
Actually, I don't think it's true to say that the fridge editors
"need" to be part of lp-beta. One of the team members, who also works
on Launchpad, is trying out the new Launchpad beta mailing list
function with the fridge team. However, it's not true as far as I know
that participation in that test is a requirement for fridge editors.
As I say, where Launchpad policies are getting in the way of
contributing to Ubuntu, they can be (and have in the past been)
discussed. But I don't think this particular one does affect the
Ubuntu project, which is why it'd be a shame to lose HggdH from that
project on the basis of the issue under discussion.
--
Matthew East
http://www.mdke.org
gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:50:57 +1100
From: Sarah Hobbs <hobbsee@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
Cc: launchpad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <47C78121.5080202@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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Matthew Revell wrote:
> On 21/02/2008, Bruce Cowan <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> There seem to be a large number of people sending "I want to stop
>> getting e-mails" messages. Don't these people realise what they're going
>> to get when they subscribe to this list? It ought to be more clear for
>> them.
>
> Any thoughts on how it could be more clear would be greatly
> appreciated! Perhaps we could have a message saying, "If you subscribe
> to this list you will receive at least five emails per day."
Why not put in moderation rules, that will hold the postings?
In fact, I'm surprised they are not being caught by the default rules
(may contain administrivia) - perhaps you need to set this up, in the
latest mailman?
Hobbsee
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:38:50 +0700
From: Jeroen Vermeulen <jtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
To: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Bruce Cowan <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
launchpad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <47C7B68A.7040903@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> Bruce Cowan wrote:
>> There seem to be a large number of people sending "I want to stop
>> getting e-mails" messages. Don't these people realise what they're going
>> to get when they subscribe to this list? It ought to be more clear for
>> them.
>
> I bet they don't when they get a timeout and see this message:
>
> """
> Timeout error
> Trying again in a couple of minutes might work. If it doesn?t, and this is
> blocking your work, let us know on the launchpad-users mailing list (requires
> subscription). Include the error ID OOPS-789EA64 in your message.
> """
One thing's incongruous about that though: we're getting this wave of
unwanted subscriptions just when the timeouts have dropped to almost zero.
Jeroen
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:20:57 +0800
From: " ?? " <houjmail@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: my email
To: launchpad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<5e12bfc40802290020v4bab67aal7952ea18de75d30e@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
i want to get a ubunta cd,but my gmal cant get the mail from
https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
--
this is jee'mail
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:22:17 +0000
From: "( ``-_-?? ) -- Fernando" <ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
To: launchpad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200802282222.38335.Ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
On Thursday 28 February 2008 17:58:19 Martin Pool wrote:
> 1 - there's now a fairly big item on the front of Launchpad asking
> people to join the beta team, and _that_ page tells you to join the
> launchpad-users list, without totally explaining what that means
> --
> Martin
Huummm that made me think.
I suppose LP admin have HTTP logs... so they could see what is leading ppl to the ML registration.
Maybe there is common beginning. Its just a matter of backtracing the links.
Can you guys pull it out, and let us know about it?
--
BUGabundo :o)
(``-_-??) http://Ubuntu.BUGabundo.net
Linux user #443786 GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB
My new micro-blog @ http://BUGabundo.net
ps. My emails tend to sound authority and aggressive. I'm sorry in advance. I'll try to be more assertive as time goes by...
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:44:52 +0100
From: "Alex Muntada" <alexm@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe e-mails
To: "Jeroen Vermeulen" <jtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@xxxxxxxxxx>,
launchpad-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Bruce Cowan
<lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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* Jeroen Vermeulen <jtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> One thing's incongruous about that though: we're getting this wave of
> unwanted subscriptions just when the timeouts have dropped to almost zero.
I'm sure that Emilio didn't mean that the problem are the timeouts per se,
but the message displayed along with the OOPS, being a timeout or anything
else.
--
Alex Muntada <alexm@xxxxxxxxx>
http://alexm.org/
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