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Re: [Lubuntu-admins] requesting the CC/Canonical legal assist with acquiring Lubuntu domains

To: Walter Lapchynski <wxl@xxxxxxxxxx>, cc <community-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-admins] requesting the CC/Canonical legal assist with acquiring Lubuntu domains
From: Michael Hall <mhall119@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:56:24 -0400
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Thank you for bringing this to the CC Walter. We will be discussing this
internally and may come back to you for more information or to ask for
specific actions. As some of the council will be on holidays in the near
future, a response may not come quickly, but be assured that it is being
worked on.

Michael Hall
mhall119@xxxxxxxxxx

On 08/09/2016 04:28 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
> Hello, all,
> 
> The co-founder of Lubuntu, Mario Behling, has been in charge of
> lubuntu.net/org <http://lubuntu.net/org> for as long as I've been using
> Lubuntu, let alone being a member of the team. I never quite understood
> why we have had problems keep it up to date, but I've learned the
> reasons why: we have no access to the site and Mario refuses to give us
> access. This is why we created lubuntu.me <http://lubuntu.me>.
> Unfortunately, the existence of the two websites creates a great degree
> of confusion for our users, who have been complaining a lot lately, as
> you can see from [this bug report][1]. So I decided to take this issue
> on first hand. 
> 
> I have tried to contact Mario to get the issue resolved. I didn't try to
> make a big public issue out of it. I've suggested he give us access,
> link or redirect to lubuntu.me <http://lubuntu.me>, or simply transfer
> the domain ownership (ultimately to Canonical). My messages were ignored
> or only answered minimally (e.g. "Good job on lubuntu.me
> <http://lubuntu.me>"). He finally decided to provide a [real
> response][2] on that aforementioned bug report, wherein he denies the
> notion that we don't have access (but has not provided credentials) and
> that Lubuntu has no "official" relationship with Canonical.
> 
> In turn, Michael Hall stepped in and tried to propose some private
> mediation to get the issue resolved to everyone's satisfaction, or at
> least with productive language. Mario did not respond to this, either.
> It does seem like in response to all this, he has removed his name from
> the footer of lubuntu.net <http://lubuntu.net> (to which lubuntu.org
> <http://lubuntu.org> redirects), but it also explicitly says
> "lubuntu.net <http://lubuntu.net> is an innot associated with Canonical
> which holds the Ubuntu trademark," reinforcing the notion that he
> refuses to believe in the connection between Lubuntu and Canonical.
> 
> Apparently, he wishes to maintain control and do things his way, even
> though he no longer contributes to Lubuntu in even the most remote of
> ways. Apparently, this is not new behavior. Again, on that bug report,
> Phill Whiteside makes a [comment][3] that claims that a team of
> contributors once voted on an update to the website and Mario simply
> refused ("vetoed") it. 
> 
> In his comment, Mario says he would prefer "decentralised resources,"
> which is actually what the Lubuntu Team wants. The domains should
> ideally be owned by Canonical and the hosting should be done by
> Canonical. That way, the community, whomever it might be, can use the
> normal Canonical resources and procedures to access them. Currently,
> we're in the [process][4] of making that happen with lubuntu.me
> <http://lubuntu.me>, because we as individuals don't want to be in
> control, but we want the community to control it.
> 
> That being said, my hope is that the Community Council, perhaps in
> concert with Canonical Legal, can help secure lubuntu.net/lubuntu.org
> <http://lubuntu.net/lubuntu.org> under Canonical ownership and that they
> can redirect to lubuntu.me <http://lubuntu.me>.
> 
> If we can answer any other questions for you, please let us know. Thank
> you for the hard work you do.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Walter Lapchynski for the Lubuntu Team
> 
> [1]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1608306
> [2]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1608306/comments/17
> [3]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1608306/comments/11
> [4]: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=28808
> -- 
> @wxl | http://polka.bike
> Lubuntu Release Manager & Head of QA
> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
> Ubuntu Oregon LoCo Team Leader
> Ubuntu Membership Board & LoCo Council Member
> Eugene Unix & GNU/Linux User Group Co-Organizer
> 
>

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