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[Glen Bizeau <gbizeau@xxxxxxxxx>]

Just for fun...

I dug out an old Celeron 366 laptop with 128 Mb Ram.

I tried to load u-light on it... I couldn't even get mini-ubuntu to
load the CLI.

However, Vector Linux seems to be installing fine on it.

If we want to support hardware this old(low tech) we will need to run
a frame buffer.

FYI

Glen

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Liam Proven<lproven@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 2009/7/23 David Robert Lewis <ethnopunk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> Dear Liam,
>>
>> Just a note to voice my concern 192mb is really the Xubuntu spec
>
> Absolutely.
>
>> and the
>> LXDE project is not providing anything new.
>
> Do you mean LXDE or Lubuntu?
>
>> I am right now busy wringing my
>> hands, with a pain in my head, wondering why there is absolutely nothing I
>> can do for poor neighbourhoods and the Windows 95 and 98 crowd.
>
> I agree.
>
>> Believe it
>> or not, I would be installing Lubuntu now, if it were available. U-lite is
>> all good and well, but it is more Windows 2000 territory.
>
> Interesting. You feel that U-lite is aiming at too high a spec?
>
>> A major problem is there is not enough RAM in the country, and we are pretty
>> developed compared to the rest of Africa. I had a machine the other day
>> running 1.8Ghz but with only 128mb Ram. What can one do, but continue to
>> install Windows 98?
>
> Indeed so. You don't specify where "the country" is, or who "we" are, though.
>
>> Lubuntu should aspire to being the backbone for the Ubuntu Gandhi Remix
>> Edition, see thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1210681
>
> Um. To be honest, I took that to be a joke post.
>
>> it
>> should create an attractive desktop that revolutionises computing by making
>> low-ram computing possible. Doesn't matter what speed the processor is, RAM
>> is everything when it comes to installing. And in a world with virtually no
>> net access, please do not expect the seed method to work. I have yet to see
>> it work without premium bandwidth.
>>
>> So barebones LXDE please.
>>
>> --David.
>>
>> PS I lived on 8mb of ram on an 80mb hardrive for nearly five years, It was
>> an apple, and it gave me great pleasure, why can't ubuntu do the same thing?
>
> Well, quite.
>
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>
> Pardon?
>
> I think that the basic point here is that it's very easy for
> developers and users alike with multi-gigaHertz machines with gigs of
> RAM and many megabits of broadband access to forget that there are
> people with /no/ Internet access, not even dial-up, and for whom
> 10-15y old PCs are all they have access to.
>
> In the UK there is a charity called Computer Aid:
> http://www.computeraid.org/
>
> They do not accept machines below what I consider quite a high spec -
> broadly, "Pentium IV Processor rated at 1.4 Ghz upwards":
> http://www.computeraid.org/whatpc.htm
>
> And they almost exclusively use MS software. I suspect they may even
> be sponsored by MS.
>
> Windows 95 caused a massive boom in the PC industry. Many of those
> machines still work and there is not much in the way of FOSS software
> to run on them any more. Vector Linux once supported them but not any
> more. Puppy Linux (which is OK but always runs as root, which is a
> horrible massive security hole) and DamnSmallLinux will run on them
> reasonably, but both are LiveCDs - whereas many machines of this age
> can't boot from CD. Neither is elegant or neat in the way it installs
> to disk and neither can readily be updated afterwards.
>
> We really need a lightweight, upgradable, Debian-based Linux for
> *really* low-end kit.
>
> >From what I have read, Lubuntu is just going to be another respin of
> Ubuntu with a different desktop and no use for this kind of PC at all.
> As such, I predict it will sink into invisibility and obscurity.
>
> Linux once ran on such kit. There's no reason it should not any more.
>
> I reckon the target for decent, usable performance should be:
>
> 486DX4/100 or so
> 64MB RAM
> 1.2GB disk
> ISA network and sound
> boot from floppy, install from CD or over the network
>
> Anything that ran on this would go like stink on a Pentium 1 machine
> with 128MB and 4G of disk - a good box for Windows 98 from 10-12y or
> so ago.
>
> Even in London, I can and do give away such machines very quickly and
> easily on Freecycle, even today.
>
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