lubuntu-desktop team mailing list archive

[David Sugar <david.sugar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Julien Lavergne wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> For Mplayer / SMplayer, as there is no consensus for switching to
> something else, let's stay with this 2 for Karmic. I'll put them in
> Recommends, so lubuntu-desktop can be installed without this 2. I'll try
> to move Mplayer to universe, but I'm not sure it'll be doable. Let's
> discuss the video player choice after the Karmic release.

Agreed!

> For the release date, there is 2 choices :
> - Stick with Ubuntu schedule and release/freeze at the same time. This
> could be a solution if we want to release the finished Lubuntu in time
> for Karmic+1.
> - Don't follow this schedule and release after. We can do this, but the
> consequence will be to have separate packages for some components, not
> in sync with Ubuntu official packages and repository. A possibility is
> to use the Lubuntu PPA as an extra repository and publish packages when
> it's done. But we need to deal with maintenance, bug reports etc ...
> As a MOTU, I prefer the solution 1, let's publish a preview for Karmic
> and the "real" Lubuntu for Karmic+1.

I prefer #1 also by far...

> For custom installer, I don't like this idea. Because someone need to
> code it, and people can have the same by installing the applications
> they want after the installation of Lubuntu. Most of People using Ubuntu
> and derivate want to have an installation ready "out-of-the-box", they
> don't want to choose between VLC and Mplayer for example. 
> If we want to allow the user to customize his installation and keeping
> the core LXDE in place, it's possible to make all "extra" packages
> (Mplayer, Aqualung etc ...) optional, by making them recommends on the
> lubuntu-desktop package. People will be able to remove Mplayer to
> install VLC, and will keep the lubuntu-desktop and so LXDE core packages
> installed.

We can review moving more things into recommends for this purpose for
Karmic +1.

> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> Le samedi 19 septembre 2009 à 12:41 +0800, Mario Behling a écrit :
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I would like to exchange with you some thoughts that came up in an
>> exchange with PCMan concerning using Mplayer, Qt4 and the release date
>> of lubuntu.
>>
>> I agree with PCMan that we should get feedback from the community
>> first before releasing a stable lubuntu. The current lubuntu is
>> already quite good, but there will probably be some bugs that we dont
>> know, besides bugs that we know of e.g. in PCManFM. As PCMan is
>> working on a new version of the file manger, I hope we will be able to
>> include it.
>>
>> Read on below.
>>
>> - Mario
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: PCMan
>>
>> Hi all
>> Clearly Mplayer has the best performance on old machines which are the
>> target of Lubuntu.
>> However, the usability of currently available mplayer GUI frontend are
>> quite problematic.
>> SMplayer, although being developed with Qt4, undoubtedly has quite
>> good usability compared with others. Qt4 is not a problem. It's
>> bigger, but it's not very big. Besides, there will be more and more
>> applications written in Qt4 in the future. Denying the use of Qt4 is
>> quite unwise, IMHO. If you can find something that are as good, feel
>> free to replace it. But the problem is, there isn't. The other usable
>> player should be VLC, which is also written in Qt4, too. Xine is yet
>> another solution, but it doesn't have good performance, and the
>> usability is not good, either. So it's good for nothing. Rather than
>> including something that is good for nothing, I'd rather include
>> something that at least give you good usability. This is the
>> rationale.
>>
>> Another concern is, can we postpone the release of Lubuntu? Rather
>> than releasing something new but broken, I'd rather release it when
>> it's really ready. Give the users something that is half-done is not a
>> good way for marketing.
>> I'm confident that Lubuntu will be ready for everyday use at the time
>> of next Ubuntu LTS release. However, if we want to make it for 9.10,
>> we might end up with a broken distro that is problematic. IMHO,
>> keeping it in Alpha or Beta status is more preferable. Then just use
>> 9.10 release to get enough feedback from the users. Things should be
>> ready in Q1, 2010. Then the next LTS will be the right time for first
>> official release of Lubuntu.
>>
>> For application selection, I'd suggest creating a modular installer
>> and let the user choose what they want. This doesn't need to be
>> included in the Ubuntu installer. We can run a app selection wizard at
>> first-time startup. This can be the perfect solution for application
>> selection.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
>> Post to     : lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
>> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
> Post to     : lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp

begin:vcard
fn:David Sugar
n:Sugar;David
org:Canonical
adr:;;;;;;United States
email;internet:david.sugar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
title:Mobile Developer
tel;work:+1 609 465 5336
x-mozilla-html:FALSE
url:http://www.canonical.com
version:2.1
end:vcard