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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

It happened again :-(

See this link
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482&page=79&p=12855281#post12855281

and oldfred's reply in the following post.
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"I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they
seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just
snowball.

I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but then
you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually
partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like / (root).
Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions could
do that.

I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other
drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that
option unless they use an external drive. "
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I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not enough
warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be easy
to fix it.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-24 23:42, Dale Visser wrote:
> I noticed a similar lack of warning in my upgrade install. I was on a VM
> with snapshot backup in place, but still... I noticed that of you don't
> read *everything* *carefully* before clicking, you could quickly pave
> something important.
> 
> As an aside, I couldn't figure if it was possible for me to pave my '/'
> partition, but leave my '/usr/local' and '/home' partitions alone.
> 
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Andre Rodovalho <mailto:andre.rodovalho@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: ‎10/‎24/‎2013 5:05 PM
> To: Iberê Fernandes <mailto:ibere.fernandes@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: ubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ubuntu-qa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; JM
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> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer
> 
> I checked Ubiquity, when you choose dual boot option, next window on
> wizard show the "graph", lubuntu and Windows alongside... But if the
> replace option is selected, there is nothing but the Install now
> button... Once you hit that, it's all gone!
> 
> 
> 2013/10/24 Iberê Fernandes <ibere.fernandes@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:ibere.fernandes@xxxxxxxxx>>
> 
>     2013/10/24 Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>>
> 
>         On 2013-10-24 17:36, JM wrote:
>         > On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:26:19 +0200
>         > Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
>         <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>         >
>         >> Hi everybody,
>         >>
>         >> Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the
>         partitioning
>         >> dialogue of the desktop installer.
>         >>
>         >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
>         >>
>         >> 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove
>         windows and
>         >> replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this.
>         One with
>         >> files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7
>         partition. When
>         >> I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my
>         C drive and
>         >> not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
>         >> partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only
>         have Ubuntu
>         >> on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
>         >>
>         >> -o-
>         >>
>         >> This is what I have been telling, when describing the One
>         Button Installer
>         >>
>         >> '...
>         >> Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
>         >>
>         >> The normal linux installers that come with iso files are
>         complicated to
>         >> use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a
>         tool that
>         >> is easier to use and just works.
>         >> ...
>         >> a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is
>         generally
>         >> easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people
>         confused.
>         >> There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
>         installations,
>         >> where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
>         >>
>         >> It is really too bad, and something that should be improved
>         in 14.04
>         >>
>         >> Best regards
>         >> Nio
>         >
>         > Hi,
>         >
>         > A window with a warning in big and red could be added before
>         the person can access to the
>         > "apply" button. Something such as:
>         >
>         > WARNING YOU MIGHT DESTROY YOUR DATA : HAVE YOU DONE A BACKUP
>         OF YOUR PERSONAL DATA BEFORE
>         > PROCEEDING?
>         >
>         > ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO PROCEED?
>         >
>         > Followed by a "Yes" and a "Quit" button. (Perhaps not all in
>         high case... I don't use
>         > html in mails).
>         >
>         > And the installer has a partitionning tool which IS really
>         confusing. I would suggest to
>         > request that it be removed and calling Gparted which is much
>         easier to understand,
>         > imo, or it should be graphically improved and made perfect
>         before being provided to
>         > everybody.
>         >
>         > I anwered to the person at the forum and provided links to
>         testdisk and tutorials.
>         >
>         > Regards,
>         > Mélodie
>         >
>         Thanks Mélodie for providing help to the poor fellow who
>         misunderstood
>         the installer!
> 
>         I was so absorbed by reporting the problem, that I forgot to
>         help ... I
>         will follow the case, and if testdisk does not work, and nobody
>         else is
>         faster than I, [I will] suggest PhotoRec.
> 
>         -o-
> 
>         Yes a warning screen is a good thing. Also a description of what
>         will be
>         wiped or overwritten (for each particular case). I agree that
>         gparted is
>         easier to understand, and available in the desktop iso file.
> 
>         Best regards
>         Nio
> 
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> 
>     From the Facebook posts to our list:
>     http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/10/ubiquity-and-installing-ubuntu-and-its.html
> 
>     Interesting user experience. 
> 
>     Thank you Ali!
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