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Re: doubt about communication channels
Its actually pretty simple :
* The maria-developers ml is used for development talks (eg.
discussion about a patch, internal changes or development plans)
* The maria-discuss ml is used about more common talks like questions
about how Maria must be used/configured or about "political" issues
* The maria-docs ml is used for documentation talks (eg. error on the
KB, missing or incomplete documentation on a feature or a variable)
* The IRC channel is used for real time chat with the team and Maria
users and most of the users posting on the mailing lists are also on
IRC, its usually the best way to ask for clarifications or to have a
point of view from different persons on simple questions as it can
help avoiding misinterpretations on how Maria works that could lead
to invalid bug reports or simply to have someone to tell you that a
problem you are having is most probably already known and that there
is no need to spend time investigating and reporting it ; IRC wont
replace a bug report and retrieving infos posted on it are not as
simple/easy as retrieving a mail for one of the mailing lists
archive, it wont be simple and clear for the team to have to read a
chat backlog to extract the important informations on it while
having to retrieve logs and informations from various pastebin URLs.
Jira is definitely not designed to chat or have discussions.
Informations posted on it must be as clear, precise and concise as
possible by explaining simply the scope of the MDEV at first then
putting details and examples so developers (and users that might have
the same issue (or feature request)) can immediately find the MDEV you
made without having to read the whole comments to be sure of what it is
related to (or not) and it can avoid the creation of duplicates MDEV.
It means that a typical MDEV must have one specific topic and if you
have a related issue/request that you are sure to be different even if
it is similar in some aspects, you must create another one (you can
create links between MDEV if required).
It also means that, on the other hand, if you have another angle about
the same issue/request, you should use the existing MDEV to add the new
informations and try to modify the MDEV Summary and Description texts
instead of adding new informations only on comments as it can be time
consuming to have to read the whole comments history and retrace the
steps that have been made.
For example, by reading your MDEV-7125, many important informations are
located on the comments (eg. putting at least the word "Optimizer" on
the summary as its an optimizer issue, provide the info that it happens
on 10.0.12 and 10.0.15 as well, that it is not storage engine related,
put important server variables such as the optimize_switch, to be able
to reproduce and understand the issue its way better to put the tables
structure (that you can obfuscate for security reasons)) and as
possible, try to simplify the example by trying to remove selected
columns, concats, subqueries and joins that does not change which index
is chosen ; it might be fastidious but it wont be less for the
testers/devs and users that might hit the same issue will never be able
to identify their issue to yours with an example that complex.
About your second mail on how to use these channels : if you are talking
about how to use IRC, you can use Hexchat which is an open source
graphical client (if you prefer a command line client you can use irssi
for example) then connect on irc.freenode.net "/server irc.freenode.net"
then join the #maria channel "/join #maria" ; most of the users stays
connected even when they are away from their keyboard or not checking
IRC, it means that you should not expect every questions to be answered
immediately, especially as users are scattered all around the world on
Another possibility is to use a web applet to connect if you dont want
to install a client but its less practical : https://webchat.freenode.net/
Le 02/12/2014 03:43, Roberto Spadim a écrit :
hi guys, at
, we have:
* participate in e-mail discussions via our Launchpad lists
(whichever list is most appropriate):
o maria-developers <http://launchpad.net/%7Emaria-developers>
o maria-discuss <http://launchpad.net/%7Emaria-discuss>
o maria-docs <http://launchpad.net/%7Emaria-docs>
but what is "whichever list is most appropriate", in other words,
could we include some examples of what is expected in each mail list?
for example, maria-docs about including, editing, removing docs from
kb?! maria-developers talk about mdev development (i don't know how to
use maria-developers, i some time sent wrong mail), etc... just one
at the end of this docs, i found how to use mraia-developers (i never
read it before...)
Where are the Developers?
* Most of the core developers hang out on IRC
<https://mariadb.com/kb/en/irc/> in the *#maria* channel on
* Code, proposals, and feature requests are sent to (and discussed
on) the maria-developers list
should be interesting write a "community guide" or something like it?
i many times use jira as 'chat' to ask question (sorry), today elena
told me to don't chat there, but i don't know if i should use
maria-developer or maria-discus or irc :/ any idea? i don