Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

[Vincenzo Ciancia <ciancia@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On mar, 2009-06-23 at 16:58 +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote:
> 
> Could you give us some idea of when a testable version will land in 
> Karmic?  We've got two months left until the final decision on
> whether 
> this becomes as significant a part of Ubuntu as Firefox or
> OpenOffice, 
> so it would be nice to have more than a few weeks of testing by
> people 
> who don't feel like compiling their IM client from source every day. 

You are being utopistic. The decision has already been taken. I would
not bet a cent on the possiblity that empathy does not become default
even if as broken as it is right now. This is why I ran to testing as
early as possible.

I would love if programs that we test during alphas could be declared
"not ready" but I NEVER saw ubuntu going back.

The only decision I saw "going back" was the re-introduction of kdvi in
jaunty, which was then removed at a very late time before release
without leaving time to test the feature addition to okular that
*supposedly* would have let it replace kdvi. 

>From that date, I learned not to hope in such an obvious thing as "let's
try it, as we are testers, and then decide". If you try it, you buy it.

If someone wants to prove me wrong, a good way would be to fix a set of
target features and bugs for empathy and guarantee to us all that if
such a minimum quality standard is not met then empathy will be dropped
for karmic.

Please don't pollute the list by posting angry replies to this. You are
free to do so, but first, read: I love ubuntu and am doing as much as I
can for it. Above I am a bit polemic but I think I am telling the truth.
If I am wrong, glad to be corrected and to note the eventual information
sources that I do not know right now.

Vincenzo