Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

[Sense Hofstede <qense@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 16 May 2010 16:37, Akshat Jain <ssj6akshat1234@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Sense Hofstede <qense@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> On 16 May 2010 16:21, Akshat Jain <ssj6akshat1234@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Sense Hofstede <qense@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
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>> >> On 16 May 2010 14:31, Mark Shuttleworth <mark@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> > On 16/05/10 08:17, Akshat Jain wrote:
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>> >> > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Mark
>> >> > Shuttleworth <mark@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> >> >> On 09/05/10 07:45, akshat jain wrote:
>> >> >> > But what will happen to Windicators when I minimize windows
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You minimise them too. They are specifically status associated with
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> window - so you won't miss them.
>> >> >>
>> >> > But wouldn't it be better that that the windicators show up in the
>> >> > window
>> >> > list?
>> >> > So I won't have to open a minimized window to just see the
>> >> > windicators.like
>> >> > I have an Image in my mind with with Compiz Live Preview like popups
>> >> > with
>> >> > Windicators instead of Window Previews.
>> >> >
>> >> > Interesting... yes, one could put a rendition of the Windicators on
>> >> > the
>> >> > windows in the Alt-TAB preview. Cool idea.
>> >> >
>> >> > David, could you make a note of that, please, in your window
>> >> > management
>> >> > file?
>> >> >
>> >> > Mark
>> >> >
>> >> Making it (slightly) easier to access the windicators would provide
>> >> the application developers with a more suitable place to provide quick
>> >> access to application functionality. This would mean less developers
>> >> want to put their application in the notification area; so the right
>> >> top of the screen should be a bit less cluttered.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I hate the Minimize to Tray concept.One who invented this should be
>> > forced
>> > to watch BSoDs for 10 days continiously while tied to a chair and eyes
>> > forced to open.It is so much irritating and cluttered.
>> >>
>> >> It is a good thing to make less applications use Application
>> >> Indicators; they should be used to notify the users or give them
>> >> access to things that don't have their own open window, like Network
>> >> Manager. There are currently a lot of applications that have an
>> >> Application Indicator, but don't really use it properly. Those
>> >> applications could be using windocators instead when they would be
>> >> easily accessible.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Agreed
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Leaves the question where to minimise applications to if you can't put
>> >> them in the tray anymore (which is a good thing, I've always found it
>> >> a very unintuitive place to hide applications). I think we could do
>> >> with providing nothing extra: the most important reason for providing
>> >> something as horrendous as 'minimise to tray' is because applications
>> >> take a lot of place in the currently used window list panel applet.
>> >>
>> >> However, the Unity dock doesn't have this problem as the icons are
>> >> smaller, and most of them are already there. For most applications
>> >> keeping them running unhidden would only mean an extra triangle at the
>> >> dock next to an icon.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think there can be an Application-Stasher applet(kind of like a drawer
>> > but
>> > horizontal) where Applications can be minimized *if I wan't them to*
>> > because
>> > I don't see the utility of Minimize to Tray for other than application
>> > minimizing since notifications are handled by Notify-OSD and (soon)
>> > Windicators.Not needed on Unity but needed on Desktop.
>>
>> An application bucket where you can dump applications you don't want
>> to take space sounds like a neat idea. The applications could stay in
>> there, even when they're running and have got the focus -- this could
>> be indicated by placing the focus triangle at the bucket icon (the
>> bucket icon is distinct from application by a different background
>> colour or a border around its icon (what icon?)).
>>
>> When the application wants attention the bucket could either expand
>> and show the list of applications inside with the demanding
>> application showing the regular attention animation, or the drawer
>> icon could perform the want-attention animation itself.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Sense Hofstede
>> [ˈsɛn.sə ˈɦɔf.steː.də]
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> A Notify-OSD popup rather than bucket popup would be better.

I meant the case when the window wants attention and you would see it
flashing in the regular window list; e.g. when Synaptic has finished
installing the packages you've told it to install.

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