Re: [Ayatana] OMG!Ubuntu a bane or a boon? [was]Re: The new default wallpaper

[Vishnoo <vish@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Before continuing, I'd like to remind that this is the second instance
within this cycle where a thread here is being brought due to a post on
the blog. Earlier, it was about the theme.


On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 17:50 +0200, Seif Lotfy wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Vishnoo <vish@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>         On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 08:23 -0300, Conscious User wrote:
>         > Hello,
>         >
>         > Some of you might be already aware of the controversy caused
>         > by the (supposed) new default wallpaper:
>         >
>         >
>         http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/ubuntu-1010-default-wallpaper.html
>         >
>         http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-joke-that-is-mavericks-default-wallpaper/
>         > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/625193
>         >
>         > Because no one at the bug report mentioned the problem here,
>         > despite being repeatedly recommended by Vish to doing so, I
>         > am bringing up the subject.
>         >
>         > Personally, I must admit I have never seem such a heavy
>         > backlash before.
>         
>         Backlash? Where?
>         Are we now considering the above mentioned blog as a
>         representative of
>         the whole Ubuntu community?
> 
> 
> They are Ubuntu users and thus do indeed have to be heard. Unlike most
> of the "Ubuntu Community" who are active in the Ubuntu scene. The
> comments from OMG! Ubuntu as well as the launchpad bug comments
> represent people who are not blessed as Ubuntu community members, yet
> are part of the Ubuntu eco-system. Maybe we should take their opinion
> sometimes, especially if its very much heard.
>  
>         Some of the comments there are often highly disrespectful to
>         upstream
>         GNOME authors and I have personally seen upstream authors take
>         offense
>         to the comments on that blog. [at times to the articles too]
>         And had to
>         say that those are not the views of the whole Ubuntu
>         community.
> 
> 
> And when they offend they apologize so we should all get over it
> already. 
>  
>         What worries me is that, if we consider those blog comments to
>         be a
>         representative of the whole Ubuntu community, then Upstream is
>         justified
>         at being offended.
>         
>         There is constructive criticism and there is just
>         criticism/cynicism.
>         Anonymity does not give a person the instant right to be rude.
>         
>         While it is easy for someone to make a passing comment about
>         upstreams,
>         it becomes a waste of time for people who have to interact
>         with
>         upstreams.
>         We could all be more productive if people spent half that
>         time, they
>         spend commenting, on something more useful.
> 
> 
> So any comment on something you don't agree with is not productive. I
> dont know where you are going with changing the subject of the mail
> but i think its offensive... 

No, I'm not saying everyone has to agree, as I said there needs to be
*constructive* criticism. Which is very much welcomed. And it does not
require a person to be rude. 

And I'm not talking about the articles themselves, I'm talking about the
comments since that was the rationale for the bug and the follow-up
consolidate!

If I'm to mention about the articles, did anyone verify if it was indeed
the final wallpaper?  It might well be! But, did anyone verify? Alteast
before consolidating all the negative comments in one place?

I ask this now, because the earlier theme article lead to people
questioning the theme changes *here* on the Ayatana mailing list and as
we all now know its wasnt the default theme!

You guys have a good platform but somehow it gets misused[by others]!
There needs to be a sanity check somewhere. Either better fact-checked
reporting [obviously people believe what you write] or we disregard
those comments as the pulse of the community[until something is actually
true].

-- 
Cheers,
Vish