[Ayatana] indicators vs launchers

["frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx" <frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx>]

in Unity, shouldn't the Messaging menu indicator appear only once a messaging application is up and running? i have neither a mail app nor an instant messaging app running at the moment, still the envelope appears in the panel.

While it improves discoverability for the launchers in the menu, it makes discoverability as an indicator of transient events worse.

it also clutters the users mental model of how to launch apps and how to use indicators in relation.

i'd suggest put Chat, Mail and Broadcast into the Unity Launcher and add a confirmation dialog to the removal option (Keep In Launcher).

So when somebody unticks "Keep In Launcher", she is asked to confirm that.

The envelope makes more sense when a messaging related app is running, imo.