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i like it, i would actually keep the volume always visible since i mouse over it frequently, also in windows, kde, etc. is also kept visible (but is configurable in kde).
i do have this area pretty cluttered: glipper, system monitor applet, keyboard language switcher and all the others. so this would help but a person should configure to keep the applets they want visible all the time or on demand, etc.. > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:05:38 +0100 > From: david.reichling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > CC: ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] new proposal for notifications / indicators > > Holy shit gmail removed somehow when i make a new line. > Resending my mail: > Hi, > i didn't explained my idea good enough and you and probably others > have understand me wrong. > so i try to explain with different words. > the basic idea is that when you turn the computer on it shows the > minimum of indicators thats > possible. > http://unity.exemo.net/panel_beginning.png > you can expand them by clicking on the arrow: > http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png > > when an "event" happens 4 different things can happen: > a: show only a notification > b: show a notification and show an indicator > (if the indicator is already visible add an entry to the menu) > c: show a notification and hide an indicator > d: remove an entry from an indicator menu > (if its the last entry the indicator will be hidden) > > The nofifications are like now and will fade in and after a few sec. fade out. > The indicators will be show at an event and remain visible until later > when another event hides it again > > Examples: > Event: Files will be uploaded to ubuntu one > What happens: > a: -show notification: x files will be uploaded ... > > Event: You get a new mail > What happens: > b: - show notification: You got a new mail ... > - show message indicator > - http://unity.exemo.net/new_mail.png > > Event: You remove the cable from your laptop > What happens -> > b: - show notification: You have x hours left ... > - show batteryindicator > - http://unity.exemo.net/mail_and_battery.png > > Event: You focus the chat window > What happens: > d - remove the previously added "chat-notification-entry" from > the message menu > > Event: You connect the cable to your laptop > What happens -> c: > - show notification: Battery will be full in ... > - hide battery indicator > - http://unity.exemo.net/panel_expanded.png > > > Why? What problem would it be solving? > That's a good question (as always ;-))There has been already a lot of > work done in the top right corner and i don't see any real problems > with what we currently have. The only thing is that i have currently 8 > indicators that are always visible. Other users might have more or > less. I just think that it would look better when you have a maximised > application and you have less indicators visible. > (the minimum possible) > I think for the same reason that the window buttons are not > visible when not needet. > > > If the messaging menu was hidden by default, what use would it be? > I didn't mean to use the messaging menu like we have it today. > More something like a list of the latest notifications that you got > Looking something like this: http://ubuntuone.com/3pQaNx9TdpPXEZHMIjPgdP > except not the tabs at the bottom > > > How do you classify devices under "notification indicators"? What > > would this notify you of? > (using the word notifications was not really a good idea from me.) > We could show for example an entry for every device where it makes > sense. Every entry could contain a menu with actions > For example > - UsbStick > - Documents (17) // open gnome-documents > - Videos (3) // open gnome videos > - see all files // open nautilus > - Video DVD > - Watch Movie // open totem > - Import or Rip Movie // open ... > etc > This could remove the need to open a window in situations like this: > > "If a new printer is plugged in and recognized automatically while > neither a Print dialog nor System Settings (any panel) is open, System > Settings should open to the Printers panel, the list of printers > should scroll to show the new printer, and it should be selected in > the list. (This is analogous to a USB storage device window opening > when it is connected.)" > > But i have to say that i have not really thought a lot about how the > specific indicators could look like. I just wanted to give a few > examples. > > > People didn't see the updates notification area item even when it was > > shown by default. What use would it be if it was hidden? :-) > The reason why some people don't see it is in my opinion because we > have indicators where some people don't care about. > Lets say we have a user who uses his computer only to look his mails > (in gmail) and > to browse the internet. His first time where he uses ubuntu he look > around and finds out how to connect to the internet, ... (or a friend > shows him) > But after that the internet connect automatically etc and he > just look at the top-right to look at the clock and maybe adjust the > volume when he is in youtube. > He simply doesn't care about what else is there. > > When i look how it works for example in android: > At the top left you have the name of your carrier and nothing else > When you got 1 or more > notifications the carrier will be replaced with 1 or more icons. > You now have icons where before where only text. You see that immediatly > and choose based on the icons if you want to check the > notification now, later or just clear it. > If i am right about this people will notice the update-indicator. > Because if only the things that are important for > them are visible and they see an unknown icon they will check if its > maybe important too? (at least i think so) > > > Also, a menu item wouldn't show enough information for you to be able > > to decide whether you want to update a particular application. > That's right. As is said earlier i just wanted to give a few examples and > maybe it doesn't make sense to show an update-indicator. > > > Why? What would be the use of collecting progress of different tasks > > into a menu? > AFAIK there are basicly 2 forms of progress in applications. > a: You have for example firefox, torrents, ... where you can still use the > application while tasks (download) is running in the background. > b: On the other side we have applications that you can no longer use when a > task is running. The only reason not to hide the application is to look > at how many % the task is or to see more details about whats happening > while a task is running. For example update-manager, synaptic, ... > I think for "a" it is good because you can see how far for example > your download is without having to switch to firefox. > For "b" developers could offer a feature to hide the application and by > clicking on the entry in the progress-indicator or when the task is > finished show the application again. > > > (As a comparison, should we also collect errors from different tasks > > into a single menu? Why or why not? How about selected text from > > different tasks? Or the most recently opened file from different tasks?) > > I don't know, but we would need to define whats kind of things should be shown. > > > The Dash is hidden by default, and the launcher is usually hidden. Do > > you think it is reasonable to hide the clock most of the time? > I don't know. That's why i asked that question at the bottom. > For me it would be ok to move the mouse to the left to see the clock. > But i have absolutely no idea how others think about that. It would be like in > windows when you have your taskbar set to autohide. Except that windows > doesn't hide it per default and we do. > > > Your arrangement would hide it even when it is discharging. > as i said in the example at the top it would show the indicator when > discharging and hide it again when charging. > > > Does that mean it should be shown by default? > I don't think. But i mentioned it here because someone has maybe a > nice idea for that.We could show it as soon as you start an > application that can play music.(If there is at least on application > in Sound-Settings -> Applications) > > > How does this relate to indicator menus? > Not at all.I write this because if like in my idea we want to have the > minimum possible amount > of indicators with a feature like that all indicators that are only > there to hide an application could be removed > > > Hmm, that seems a little bit backwards. Usually when music starts > > playing, it's because you told it to play, so you don't need a > > notification in that case. > Here too what i wanted to say is that the sound-indicator should fade > in. But no notification bubble should be shown. > (While listening to music you might want to adjust the volume) > > > On the other hand, the sound menu currently > > lets you quickly start music playing in the first place -- and it > > wouldn't be nearly so quick if it was hidden by default. > That's one of the reasons why i said for some people it could become > annoying. Don't know what to do about this. > Maybe people who listen a lot of music could put their musicplayer in > the launcher and start > playing music from the quicklist? > > > I haven't yet seen an application where this is a problem. Do you know > > of one? > No. but when i see how many indicators Roland has there are maybe > applications with problems. > > > That in particular is an interesting idea. But if you used the menu to > > connect to one wi-fi network, but then realized you should have > > connected to another one instead (that happened to me last week), the > > menu wouldn't be there any more. > That's why you can always expand system indicators by clicking on the arrow. > They are just hidden but not gone. > > > It would be rather strange that a Me menu (that Ubuntu doesn't even > > have any more!) would be visible by default, but a clock would not. > With me menu it didn't mean to use it 100% like we had it. > That's why i added like gnome-shell. > What if we would remove the "me menu" and show the clock instead? > A problem that i see with that approach is that people will not expect a > menuentry to shut down their pc when clicking at the clock. > But maybe we could put shutdown at the dashs' first page? > Nice day > David Reichling > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp |