Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu Tweak

[Lance <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>]

The Gnome 3 (Oneiric and Precise) version of Ubuntu Tweak is "alpha 0.6" isn't it? With Precise being LTS almost nothing will be included unless it's either stable (meaning well tested) or very much needed to add stability.

Besides that I'd point to you saying, "why don't we fix it and include it". Who is we? Canonical?

Ubuntu Tweak is not a Canonical project so why would you expect their devs to invest time in improving something that's not part of the Unity project?

SABDFL made it clear as far back as introducing 'notify-osd' that GUI modification was not only undesirable, but NOT where the project was headed.

But, in keeping with FOSS principles, he has no objection to others doing as they wish with Ubuntu's code ;^)

Hence the ease of adding many apps via PPA's supported through Launchpad which is made available only due to the generosity of SABDFL.

What's the problem?

--- On Sat, 12/17/11, Roland Taylor <rolandixor@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Roland Taylor <rolandixor@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu Tweak
To: "Lance" <lbsolost@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "ayatana" <ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 2:16 PM

If Ubuntu-Tweak is broken in that manner, then why don't we fix it and include it. I still don't see how your arguments against inclusion are truly valid. For one thing, we can disable the Computer Janitor plugin by default. Furthermore, IIRC, it does not work the same way as the previous one that cause so much confusion and damage for users.

Secondly, as for scrolling on items, while that is a valid (if unlikely) problem, the solution is simply to put a button next to options that can scroll that will cause for the option to be reset. That's a super simple fix (it's the same thing you get in CCSM, which IMO should also be included by default after getting some love to make it look better; and should just simply be invisible to users in the menu by default).

If you ask me, the only reason why they are not being included is because of the previous problems with space on the CD, which is now a joke because we've switched to DVDs and USBs.

I don't think it's particularly true that, "Ubuntu Tweak and similar tools (concerning Unity) will not break anything".

Ubuntu Tweak still offers "computer janitor" which has been known to confuse many end users, and even further if you "hover" the mouse pointer in the wrong area in some "tweak areas" and "scroll" you can easily change things with no obvious way to restore defaults.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great tool. I love using it to play with themes in Gnome 3, regardless of DE, but it's far from mature enough to be included in the repos.

--- On Wed, 12/14/11, Roland Taylor <rolandixor@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Roland Taylor <rolandixor@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Ubuntu Tweak
To: ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 10:17 PM

I respectfully disagree. The options that can be tweaked from Ubuntu Tweak and similar tools (concerning Unity) will not break anything, and for the most part can be changed on the fly (without restarting that is).

There is no reason not to include such a tool by default.

On 12/14/2011 05:00 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote:
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> On Wed 14 Dec 2011 01:27:05 PM MST, Christian Rupp wrote:
>> The options to change unity are very rarely installed by default...
>> Wouldn't it be nice to implement the tweaks options for apperance
>> somewhere in the system settings?
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