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[Fabien Pinckaers <fp@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Lionel,
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On 31 Oct 2013, at 18:01, informatique@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Hi,
> Our company can contribute around 2000€ but that raises several
> fiscal/accounting question.
> What type of transaction will this be? will it be a standard sale with an
> invoice ?
> Also, as someone else asked elsewhere[1], will our contribution be subject
> to VAT ?
> Last question, can contributions be made without paypal?
> [1] http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2013/10/crowdfunding-and-vat/
> 
> Lionel, for Numérigraphe
> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I'm the maintainer of the POS at OpenERP and
>> I would like to discuss with you the future of the POS module, explain
>> what
>> is our point of view, our priorities, but also gather feedback from you,
>> and
>> have a nice discussion on this subject :)
>> 
>> First, as many of you have noticed, we have launched a campaign on
>> Indiegogo to fund a cleanup & evolution of the hardware part of the POS,
>> and I invite you to check it out:
>> 
>> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/opensource-your-shop
>> 
>> 
>> As this campaign is already successful we'd like to extend the goals,
>> we'll
>> start with electronic scales, but maybe there are other priorities ? But
>> first
>> Id'like to explain the goal of this campaign in more details:
>> 
>> 
>> Our point of view on the hardware:
>> ============================
>> 
>> There are two side on the hardware: The platform (where the POS Client
>> runs)
>> and the peripherals.
>> 
>> For the platform we are seeing a big shift in demand from the
>> PC/Industrial
>> touchscreens to tablets (iPad,Android), and making sure the POS runs
>> perfectly
>> on those platforms is our first priority.
>> 
>> And for us platform support means:
>> - having the POS working on the platform's web browser with peripheral
>> support
>> - having at least a receipt printer and barcode scanner working out of the
>> box
>> - having the same level of peripheral support on all platforms
>> - having the same peripherals work on all platforms, so we can build a
>> small list
>>  of perfectly supported hardware. (no usb for pc  / bluetooth for
>> tablets)
>> - having the same 'driver' repository and install system for all platforms
>> (no custom
>>  iPad app, with custom iPad drivers)
>> - having it all work very simply, with only trivial levels of
>> configuration
>> needed.
>> - everything must be open source
>> - providing ways for the community and partners to easily extend the
>> system
>>  and add support for their own devices
>> 
>> By these standards, the current proxy system doesn't even support a single
>> platform.
>> 
>> It's to solve all these issues that we came up with the PosBox concept.
>> With the
>> posbox, all the drivers are OpenERP python modules that run on a linux
>> platform
>> embedded in a raspberry-pi. The POS then connects itself to the PosBox to
>> control the peripherals.
>> 
>> This has the following advantages :
>> - The same system, with the same peripherals works whatever the platform
>> the POS
>>  is run on.
>> - It re-uses much of the proxy system we had in place before, it is likely
>> that the
>>  majority of the driver code can be ported to the PosBox with little
>> modification
>> - It makes use of OpenERP to manage the drivers delivery and installation,
>>  something we're all familiar with.
>> - Even if it is hardware based, it can reduce the total cost of an
>> installation
>> - The configuration is much easier as the linux on the PosBox is already
>> configured
>>  with the correct device access rights, etc.
>> - The raspberry-pi provides USB, but also HDMI and video-out for very
>> cheap
>> and
>>  easy secondary displays. Non-USB peripherals can be connected via USB
>> adapters.
>> - If you run your POS on a full PC and don't want to use the posbox, you
>> can run a local
>>  openerp install with the posbox module installed and I expect that most
>> drivers will work.
>> 
>> So I think that the posbox is a very good base for the future of the POS
>> as
>> far as
>> peripheral support is concerned. There is also the possibility to use the
>> same system
>> for other modules than the POS altough I am less familiar with their
>> requirements.
>> 
>> Electronic Scales, Secondary Displays & Other peripherals
>> ==============================================
>> With the campaign's current target we will provide receipt
>> printer(ESC/POS)
>> & barcode
>> scanner support in standard. But we want to extend that range in the
>> future; next target
>> is electronic scales, that we'll develop it as part of this campaign if it
>> reaches 30K.
>> 
>> As for other peripherals I guess it depends on what the community is
>> interested in and
>> what it can contribute ?
>> 
>> Electronic Payments Systems
>> ========================
>> The problem with electronic payment system is that there is too much
>> country specific concerns
>> for us to handle and we're not sure that a generic implementation is of
>> any
>> use.
>> Has anyone experience implementing electronic payment systems or a working
>> implementation to contribute ?
>> 
>> Software evolution
>> ===============
>> From our point of view, concerning software, the role of OpenERP S.A. is
>> to
>> make sure the POS is
>> stable, extensible, integrated with the rest of OpenERP and has the
>> generic
>> features that benefit mostly
>> everyone. Custom features that fit specific buisnesses needs are best made
>> by partners & community :)
>> 
>> So our next big change, as part of the indiegogo campaign, is to make it
>> run on android & iOS,
>> and that should happen quite shortly. Our primary goal is to make it work
>> in the browser, but we'll probably
>> provide native apps, and maybe native apps for Windows/Linux/OSX as well,
>> to ease certification process,
>> 
>> But there are other things  on our radar, namely:
>> - customer management : fidelity cards / points / discounts / etc. this
>> seems to be one of the
>>  most often requested features. This could be part of an extention of
>> this
>> indiegogo campaign, or maybe somebody
>>  has already something that works ?
>> 
>> - Bars & Restaurants:  Table managment, Backend orders, etc. It seems like
>> a big project and we'd
>>  like to concentrate on the shop part first, but I'd still like to hear
>> if
>> any of you has experience
>>  on the subject, any development to contribute, etc. ?
>> 
>> Community
>> =========
>> 
>> The POS Centralisation projects seems like a nice initiative, that I'll
>> follow with interest :)
>> 
>> - Fred.
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