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Re: Crowdfunding campaign for manufacturing modules

To: Ana Juaristi <ajuaristio@xxxxxxxxx>
From: Maxime Chambreuil <maxime.chambreuil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 11:39:34 -0500 (EST)
Cc: openerp-community <openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
In-reply-to: <CAMfyfiYf9seX9_y6_HmMaPTTc4RM0nrSxJ0NE2G0Fx5v0nA2qA@mail.gmail.com>

I would have made the campaign materials and the openmrp website in english.

Give me some time to transfer the modules and you should see the MP coming soon.

Regards,

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Totally agree and even very glad you propose merging OpenERP Manufacturing against OpenMRP and not viceversa. I like the name we selected :)

>From begining we launched OpenMRP as OpenERP extension, never was the idea to make a fork! This idea even surprise me. Recognize that speaking about OpenERP manufacturing extended modules at it was before, is a little bit tiring name. ;P

On the other side... I don't know if people on list, took a look to the crowdfunding project. If not, we invite you here: http://goteo.org/project/OpenMRP/?lang=en

Please take a look to rewards. We did include accessing to demos or real installation on hosting or own server, not only having access to code but online training, consultancy and support on biggest rewards. We thought that there could be integrators/implementors on community wanting to start bussiness on manufacturing companies, so we would like to help a little bit to make easier arriving to the learning point needed to afford this kind of complex projects. Taking in mind the number of hours we are offering for that you could see that could be interesting for newbie integrators or even to final customers or those integrators.

Depending on financers profile and needs we will make training sessions from starting point to specific needs, different sessions in spanish and english.

I would like to know what do you think about the way we defined the campaing, rewards, objectives or you find something missing or to be improved.

Just let us know please.

Thank you:

Ana

2013/11/29 Maxime Chambreuil < maxime.chambreuil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >

I have no issue about the crowdfunding and its motivations. I am supporting your initiatives and I think it is a step in the right direction. We have the same goal here.

I am questioning the creation of a second project. The only reason I got so far is the module incompatibility, which to me is not enough to have 2 projects.

Is anyone against merging "OpenERP Manufacturing" modules into the OpenMRP project ?

Regards,

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Maxime Chambreuil
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Maxime... It's not exactly like that.
Modules extend base mrp so it's totally compatible but for instance mrp operations would not be compatible with master extension as Oscar says.
About the correct site to place the project a few weeks ago i proposed including in one community project as it is now but people said that first we should make modules cover community code quality standars, yaml test and so on. Its because of that we thougth launching crowdfunding project to raise funds and dedicate resources to it. It's because of that we opened this thread.
We consider openmrp as an open community project so if you prefer better having all mrp modules together no problem. You decide. :)
On the other side... To be clear...We will afford migration to 7.0 (or maybe 8.0) just on the case campaign succed or we are financed from any customer that need it on those versions. Otherwise I'm afraid it will not be possible working on it in short time.
El 29/11/2013 15:57, "Maxime Chambreuil" < maxime.chambreuil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > escribió:

Are you saying that you created a different project because you plan to make incompatible modules ?

Thanks for the clarification.

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Maxime Chambreuil
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Hi Maxime:

OpenMRP is modifying MRP standar master data and database structure so most modules built for standard will not be valid on extended modules and viceversa. It's because of that I think modules should be published on different branches. Most of extensions on both aproaches would be not compatible.

Standar modules cover IMHO only small assembly companies but they don't cover complexity of real manufacturing company.

One of the aproaches of OpenMRP is controlling manufacturing by workorders(operations) made on machines (work centers).
The standar modules have no way to consume or produce materials by workorders, or controlling semielaborated products without putting them on stock.

Other functional lack on standar modules would be, manufacturing cost control. Normally, there is workers on machines who made the workorders. A manufacturing order cost is not only materials included on it but materials + machine cost + worker cost on each operation.

Same way if you need having a real manufacturing procurement planning, if your operations are long time, you don't need stocking all materials at begining of order as in standar way but you only need having materials ready when you are going to start the operation that is going to consume them (The real manufacturing procurement planning is not covered on OpenMRP yet).

The aproach is totally different on both solutions and both could be valid depending on casuistic of company's needs. Using OpenMRP will complex a lot configuration and proccess on any company but it will cover aspects unexistant on standar ones. For example, if your lead is a factory making asembly where they don't need calculating cost for machine(they don't have) or worker, probably I will propose standar modules. If you have got a complex production factory with production likes, machines and wanting to know each piece unitary real cost, I would propose OpenMRP.

Wishing it will help you,

Thank you:

Ana

2013/11/29 Maxime Chambreuil < maxime.chambreuil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >

Hello Pedro,

Just a few questions : What will be the difference between OpenMRP and OpenERP Manufacturing projects ? Where should someone put its mrp related modules ?

Thanks.

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Maxime Chambreuil
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Hi, Raphael,

Very interesting the backports and the method you have used. We will look every new feature (I only make for now an oversight) of WMS trunk to possible backports, but as you have said, there are some areas that simply cannot be backported. If we get enough funds - I don't want to repeat myself too much, but we are doing this without any other customer support - we will point definitely to use all the v8 potential (without forgetting v7, as I said previously).

Regards.

2013/11/29 Raphael Valyi < rvalyi@xxxxxxxxx >

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Fabien Pinckaers < fp@xxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:

On 11/29/2013 11:51 AM, Nhomar Hernández wrote:
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> @Fabien: I think it should be great if you share with us the specific
> branch in this thread where the new stock is landing please, to be sure
> everybody start with it from the same place.

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp-dev/openobject-addons/trunk-wms/revision/9418

Hello,

just a word: eventually we don't need to wait Q2 2014 (or later?) to start building upon the new things. A few things (only) are possible to backport on v7, that will make a smoother transition to v8 when it will be stable.

For instance a project I'm working with should be in production by December 31th and it needs the concept of picking waves (that many already made similar modules but nothing OCA quality like).
So instead of going unstable v8 or doing crap again on regular v7, I backported the picking wave module here:
https://github.com/akretion/oe-addons-subtree-stock_picking_wave

By using git and git-subtree (I will eventually post about the whole trick), we are able to properly keep in synch with the upstream branch without the need to have a folder with all the v8 modules to accommodate to the addons-path.
So the extracted mirror of the trunk-wms is here: https://github.com/akretion/oe-addons-subtree-stock_picking_wave/tree/trunk-wms
and the backported module is a branch of it https://github.com/akretion/oe-addons-subtree-stock_picking_wave/tree/backport-7.0

I think OCA could assume working this way for specific module backports (if we need a new branch of all modules for every kind of backport, soon these branches are simply incompatible and we face an combinatorial explosion of unmanageable backports). I'm willing to help setting this up in case people are interested.

Now, make no mistake, backporting the new stock quant system to v7 is out of question. I also extracted/backported purchase_requisition to v7 that I use in another project. And something we could backport to v7 is the saas2 branch analytic_account module. Or eventually, as v8 isn't for now, we could start having a merge of saasX branches into OCB/RS-OCB. I started and I can tell the the merge is rather easy, so again I let OCA people bring the topic on the table again if they think it makes sense.

That being said, I wish good luck to the funding, I also wish it base on V8 stock things as it fixes scalability issues that used to be one of the major OpenERP flaw, the kind of thing that was litteraly fueling sorryopenerp.com . This is very cool to see v8 finally bringing a lot of good work in the WMS area.

Best Regards.

Raphaël Valyi
Founder and consultant
http://twitter.com/rvalyi
+55 21 2516 2954
www.akretion.com

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