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[Frédéric Clementi <frederic.clementi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Eric,

Just about what you said 'OpenERP accounting is currently not entirely
foolproof even in a one company scenario;-)'

Now we have financial constraints implemented, it is much better.
But as long as OpenERP uses the module account_voucher as it is today in
standard, we have no chance to implement finance easily. At Camptocamp, we
decided not to use this module at all (we even haver created vouvher killer
module), and that was one of the bet decision we took.








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2013/3/24 Eric Caudal <eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

>  Hi Thosten,
> I put back the community on the loop.
> I understand your method which is clearly correct in some cases but
> directly avoid to use multi-company for the implementation. This is an
> option but does not answer all implementation cases.
>
> For business reasons, in China/HK/Macau, we have many customers that use
> an operating company in China and accounting company in HK for trading.
> Usually the HK company staff is light and companies share most of the
> information (products, users, customers etc.). It is not possible to think
> about duplicating them when OpenERP is supposed to do the trick ("OpenERP
> is multi-company" isn't it?).
>
> We are thinking of developing ICOPS (inter-company process) modules
> similar to sale_intercompany but more generic and focussing on SO/PO
> automatic creation, invoicing and stock moves automatic matching.
> Best regards
>
>
>  Eric Caudal*CEO*
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> On 03/23/2013 08:55 PM, Thorsten Vocks wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
>  this slides of OpenERP consultant Francois Pietquin explains more about
> coverage of standard multi-company.
> OpenERP covers the basics for it, nothing more and nothing less:
>
>  http://de.slideshare.net/openobject/francois-multi-company <http://de.slideshare.net/openobject/francois-multi-company>
>
>
>  I usually ask very intense what customers wants to do with a
> "multi-company" setup.
> Do they only want to share some data like product catalogue, customers /
> suppliers in one database,
> consilidation of balance sheet and P+L, this simple multi company feature
> can be enough.
>
>  For the purpose of stock valuation, intercompany accounting transaction
> there is indeed more to think about,
> as your example shows. I have proposed in two multi-company projects to
> use two separate databases for their
> specific multi company scenario.
>
>  Exchange between 2 databases product catalogues, addresses then have to
> be done in a different way
> (pentaho kettle , or base_synchro module). For intercompany exchange of
> orders, deliveries and invoices i proposed to
> use the new EDI features (introduced with 6.1). It means cross-over
> interchange of orders,
> invoices and so on. Each company is represented by their own unique email
> adress (accounting-company1@xxxxxxxxxxx, accounting-company2@xxxxxxxxxxx,
> ....) and this hub systems controls intercompany exchange of all relevant
> business
> documents.To my opinion stock valuation, cost price calculation is easier
> in different databases. To be forced to use
> the email hub ensures a bit more to be compliant with tax rules ("nearlly
> physical" exchange of invoices, orders) and it needs
> manual intervention (like opening the envelope with invoice inside you
> have to open the email ).
>
>  Another benefit of such separated databases is reduction of errors.
> Users are not good protected against that in one database, especially the
> employees in accounting having to do the intercompany account moves. The
> configuration of user rights is more straight forward and more clearly
> separated in two (or more) seprate databases.  Consolidation of different
> balances shouldn't be a big deal outside of OpenERP (for instance OLAP).
>
> But in general Nhomar is totally right. For sure I forgot to mention all
> the drawbacks (for instance redundant users have to login / logout in
> several databases) and it usually means some double work. My decision to
> propose such "workaround" solutions was either driven by a lack of
> functionality or my fear against  such difficult open heart surgeries. Last
> not least decision should
> depend of accountants qualification in the company itself. OpenERP
> accounting is currently not entirely foolproof even in
> a one company scenario;-)
>
>  I also assume some extra-addons, like the following one existing some
> time ago could be more advanced, more automated solution:
> http://doc.openerp.com/v6.0/technical_guide/sale_intercompany_auto.html  <http://doc.openerp.com/v6.0/technical_guide/sale_intercompany_auto.html> I
> also remember Syleam have developed some
> modules.
>
>
>
>  Best Regards
>
>  Thorsten Vocks
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> 2013/3/23 Eric Caudal <eric.caudal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>>  Hi,
>> Currently in product form, Cost price, sales price, stock valuation
>> method and cost price calculation method are not multi-company property
>> fields when clearly they should be (at least as far as I understand
>> multi-company).
>>
>> Is there any reason for that or anything that I am overlooking?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Eric Caudal*CEO*
>> --*Elico Corporation, Shanghai branchOpenERP Premium Certified Training Partner *
>> Cell: + 86 186 2136 1670
>> Office: + 86 21 6211 8017/27/37
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>>
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