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Re: About Prepayment in ecommerce workflow

 

Hello
Pre-payments transactions differ from cut-off issues!

A prepayment is made at the request of a partner as a necessary condition for him to deliver the service or the product; as such it is recognized in the books as a payment in advance (for an invoice to be received); it is usual to receive a pro-forma invoice (for ecommerce the transaction amount is either sent by email or just stated on a web page (that can be printed offline).

Cut-offs issues is a pure accounting requirement: revenues and costs must be recorded into the periods they belong to; this a matter of fulfilling the accounting principle called "segregation of periods"; a specif module is usefull to easily allocate costs or revenues to proper periods.

Le 18/11/2013 10:01, Frédéric Clementi a écrit :
Hello guys,

2 comments on this :
1 - About Prepayment booking : Alexis Delattre did a great job here : lp:~akretion-team/account-closing/70-cutoff-modules. These modules adds dates (start/end) on invoice lines and compute/generate automatic cut-off entries (year-end or month-end). This also includes prepayements of course. And it works for continental accounting and anglo-saxon accounting.... so totally generic. The MP is under review and hope fully should be included into the account-closing community branch. 2 - E-commerce prepayment by credit/debit card is something totally different. Nothing to do with cut-off bookings. At Camptocamp we handle this through our connector (http://openerp-connector.com/) which make things easy to set. But in the end, we can handle any e-commerce payment method (cards, cheque, cash, multi-payment...) without specific workflow. Ex. : A credit card payment can generate a sale order with manual invoicing and invoice generated after delevery. So when the invoice is generated, the accounting booking is posted and through the connector we can decide if we generate immediately a payment accounting entry. If we so so, the invoice is paid (workflow) but we use an intermediate account for payment instead of a bank account.

Conclusion 2 different topics.




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2013/11/18 Guewen Baconnier <guewen.baconnier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:guewen.baconnier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>

    Hi,


    On 11/16/2013 09:28 AM, Eric Caudal wrote:

        Hi,
        There is an aspect of OpenERP which seems to not very well
        implemented
        while it is wildly spread in accounting practices: prepayment
        treatment.
        In many countries (all?), prepayment accounts have to be
        different from
        the AR/AP general account for the mere reason that they are on
        the other
        side of the BS. This behavior is at least true in China, NZ,
        UK, AU and
        probably in any anglo-saxon accounting countries.

        We have created a simple module for this (
        https://apps.openerp.com/apps/7.0/account_prepayment) to create a
        separate property for AR and AP prepayments. In every
        implementation I
        have in accounting, the prepayment strategy is a problem in
        standard
        implementation that we can solve with this very simple module
        (my point
        is that this module or similar should be actually a standard
        module).

        In ecommerce sales strategy where payment is made on website,
        we can
        rely on several modules such as sale_payment_method and
        sale_automatic_workflow to automate the payment. Nevertheless,
        they rely
        on the AR account to create the prepayment transaction which in my
        opinion is not correct.
        NB: This could probably be even more complex as for certain
        payment
        method, account should "Uncleared Payments".


    Not sure about that here... Frédéric's opinion is welcome :-)



        I am thinking of adapting the sale_payment_method to make it
        dependent
        on the account_prepayment and add a tickbox "Use prepayment
        accounts" in
        payment method and automatic_payment method.


    I think that's not the correct way: you should rather create a
    third module with 'auto_install' on "account_prepayment" and
    "sale_payment_method", so when both are installed you get the
    tickbox "Use prepayment accounts".



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