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[Adrian Bunk <bunk@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:25:39PM +0200, Damien Raude-Morvan wrote:
> Hi Adrian and others,

Hi Damien,

> Le mardi 13 septembre 2011 12:42:54, Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> > Hi Marcus and Alessandro,
> [...]
> > Damien, your statement "Given your libc6 version, you seems to be
> > running Debian Squeeze (stable). Generally speaking, we don't provide
> > support for mixed installation with experimental with stable packages :
> > it won't work." is not generally true [1] - it should work.
> [...]
> > [1] It is even less true in this case, where you are using this as an
> >     excuse for not debugging a bug that is also present in a pure unstable.
> 
> Andrian, please, don't try to make assomption about what I'm doing or not 
> doing. It's annoying and counterproductive : it won't make things fixed faster.
> 
> In this particular case : I closed this report (#637337) but keep other one, 
> on the same issue but in unstable, open (#638008). So, I have to disagree with 
> you : I don't try to hide problem or searching excuse :/

no, you downgraded the severity of #637337 to wishlist and tagged it as
wontfix.

That's quite different from merging two bugs.

And your reference "but keep other one, on the same issue but in 
unstable, open (#638008)" is inconsistent with the fact that #638008
was opened 5 days *after* you marked #637337 as wontfix...

> There is two importants things here :
> 
> 1/ I don't have time to support / give help to people using *stable* with 
> *experimental* or *unstable* packages. It's nice if it's work but it's not my 
> priority. It's why we have backports after all : provide a repository of 
> tested packages from testing to stable users.

What is mixing stable with unstable today, will be upgrading from 
oldstable to stable when wheezy becomes stable.

And thanks to multiarch I'd expect a lot of trouble here, e.g. the 
tomcat init scripts contain
  JDK_DIRS="/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun 
  /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-ibm"

If such code is required, the JRE packages in unstable need a huge list 
of Breaks on the packages in squeeze that using the non-multiarch paths.

> > Upgrading between Debian stable releases upgrades all software by
> > 2 years, and there are in practice many cases where you cannot do
> > the upgrade in one run.
> > 
> > And with providing testing and backports Debian is pushing users into
> > many more situations where they have a mixture of stable and unstable
> > installed.
> [...]
> 
> 2/ yes, of course, we support upgrading from stable to stable-next and during 
> this upgrade you'll have a mixed installation. And of course, this issue 
> #638008 is clearly serious for next release and 'll be fixed... Seriously, I 
> don't understand what you are trying to demonstrate here.

If you have in mind from the beginning that any kind of mixing between 
stable and unstable is allowed as long as the package dependencies allow 
them, you won't have users running into upgrade problems later.

> Cheers,

cu
Adrian

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