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[Paul Voccio <paul.voccio@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sandy,

Not only is this expensive, but there is no way I can see at the moment to do pagination, which is what makes this really expensive. If someone asked for an entire list of all their instances and it was > 10,000 then I would think they're ok with waiting while that response is gathered and returned. However, since the API spec says we should be able to do pagination, this is where asking each zone for all its children every time gets untenable.

Looking forward to the discussion. More below.

From: Sandy Walsh <sandy.walsh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:sandy.walsh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:53:37 +0000
To: "openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: [Openstack] A single cross-zone database?

Hi y'all, getting any sleep before Feature Freeze?

As you know, one of the main design tenants of OpenStack is Share Nothing (where possible). http://wiki.openstack.org/BasicDesignTenets

That's the mantra we've been chanting with Zones. But it does cause a problem with a particular Use Case:

"Show me all Customer X Instances, across all Zones."

This is an expensive request. We have to poll all zones and ask them to return a list of matching instances.

There has been some water cooler chat about some things we could do to make this more efficient in the near term. One proposal has been to assume a single database, replicated across zones. I'll call it SDB for short. With SDB we can have a join table that links Zone to Instance ... keeping a record of all instances across zones. Maybe it's a completely separate set of tables? Maybe it's a separate replicated db? The intention is to let us talk to the appropriate zone directly.

Sure, there are a ton more optimizations we could make if we go further with SDB. We could store all the Zone capabilities in the db to make Zone selection faster. We could store all the customers in the db to make multi-tenant easier. But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the bare minimum required to make the get_instances query fast.

Conversely, there are issues with a single DB. The largest being the implication it has on Bursting (Hybrid Private/Public clouds) ... a pretty funky feature imho.




Personally, I think the same query gains can be obtained by creating a separate db using off-the-shelf ETL tools to create cache/read-only db's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extract,_transform,_load

Isn't the hard part keeping this in sync with what the zones have?


I was considering SDB for Zones (phase 4), but for now, I'm going to stick with the original plan of separate databases (1 per zone) and see what the performance implications are.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

... let the games begin!

-S



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