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[Chris Behrens <chris.behrens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Jay Pipes wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Chris Behrens
> <chris.behrens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Jay Pipes wrote:
>>> The problem is that instead of spending time coding on features and
>>> bugs for Nova, Glance, Swift and Keystone, a bunch of devs are instead
>>> spending time working on an alternate solution to what has already
>>> been decided by the PPB, discussed publicly, and coded on for months
>>> by my team.
>>> 
>> 
>> It was not discussed publicly, unless I've somehow not received a ton of email.  There was no announcement that I can find to the list that 'Gerrit' was decided by the PPB.
> 
> False.
> https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg03493.html
> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack-meeting/2011/openstack-meeting.2011-08-09-20.00.log.html

Thanks.  I apparently missed the emails about the voting taking place..  I was actually trying to dig further back than 1 month ago.  I knew there were discussions last month.  In fact, I remember your 'Ready to move' email from 8/1 which was apparently before the vote.  This actually doesn't make me feel any better, because it feels like a decision was made even prior to the PPB voting.  You claimed 3 months of development.  That means at least 2 months of development happened prior to the PPB voting.  The CI repos were also moved prior to the PPB voting.  During none of the 2 months of development can I find any references to Gerrit on _this_ list.  Not until Monty's note on 7/18 about CI repos moved.


> 
>> There was no discussion about how we might want to modify it to fit our needs.
> 
> False. There was lots of discussion on it.

On this list there was not 'lots' prior to 1 month ago.

> 
> Some conversations about GitHub, project autonomy, and migration going
> back to June:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-poc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg00176.html
> https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack-poc/msg00150.html
> http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-cloud-computing/2011-08/msg00077.html

Sorry, I don't read openstack-poc.  Maybe I should.  I don't feel like that's 'public discussion', though.

> 
>>  The development all happened mostly in the private as far as I can tell.
> 
> False. Not a single thing about the CI environment or the automated
> patch queue management has been in private. It is all on GitHub, in
> public repos, and documented publically:
> 
> https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ci
> http://ci.openstack.org
> http://wiki.openstack.org/GerritWorkflow
> 

Sorry, that's not what I meant.  I realize that's what I said, but I really didn't mean that all of the code wasn't open. :)   I meant that a lot of us knew nothing about this Gerrit development until well into the process, giving us only a choice to voice complaints very late in the process...  and apparently mostly not until around the time of the actual PPB vote.


>> That said, Sandy just provided a list of annoyances.  Johannes has provided some as well.  I haven't seen any comments, yet, on if any of those can be addressed.
> 
> Refresh your email. LP's mailing lists are slow today. There's been
> responses to all lists of annoyances, Chris.

Thanks.  I see them.  It's not that I didn't think there would be responses.  I'm just trying to keep us on track to trying to resolve the issues while I still complain that *I* feel we should have had some more/earlier/better communication on this list. :P

- Chris


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