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["Wayne A. Walls" <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I remember having this discussion at the Cactus design summit, and the reoccurring theme was dev vs sysads/deployment.  I was in favor of a split list then, but over the past year my stance has changed a bit.

I don't know if I feel that OpenStack has reached the level where deployment knowledge is absent of "dev" knowhow.  Deployers of OS are typically in irc/ml/forums pasting stack traces, working through problems with dev help.  Once we start seeing more public deployments, reference architectures, etc, then maybe? 

Do devs think there is too much noise on the main ml?  What has the impact been on splitting the irc channels out?  To me, I just idle in two places now, but did that really have a big impact?  I tend to agree with John's points, I don't want the presumably easiest ml to consume to be neglected by some of the brightest minds in the project. 

Thanks,


Wayne



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On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:11 PM, "John Purrier" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> My 2 cents...
> 
> The traffic on the list is less than 100 messages per day, of that about 35%
> is bug notifications. I wonder if we redirect the "developer" oriented email
> on the list whether we will have 10 messages a day on the original openstack
> mailing list.
> 
> Stefano, can you elaborate on why the developers feel a split is necessary
> at this point? Most (if not all) of the traffic is developer oriented, what
> is the problem we want to solve?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openstack-bounces+john=openstack.org@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:openstack-bounces+john=openstack.org@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Stefano Maffulli
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:35 PM
> To: openstack
> Subject: [Openstack] Creating openstack-dev mailing list
> 
> Jesse Andrews (anotherjesse)(Rackspace)
> Jonathan Bryce (jbryce)(Rackspace)
> Devin Carlen (devcamcar)(Nebula)
> Thierry Carrez (ttx)(Rackspace)
> John Dickinson (notmyname)(Rackspace))
> Vish Ishaya (vishy)(Rackspace)
> Josh Kearney (jk0)(Rackspace)
> Joshua McKenty (jmckenty)(Piston)
> Ewan Mellor (ewanmellor)(Citrix)
> Jay Pipes (jaypipes)(Rackspace)
> John Purrier (johnpur)(HP)
> Monty Taylor (mordred)(Rackspace)
> Paul Voccio (pvo)(Rackspace)
> Ziad Sawalha (zns)(Rackspace)
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> I've been talking to quite a few developers participating to the Design
> Summit and a recurring request I got is to create a new mailing list for
> the OpenStack developers to meet and discuss.  
> 
> There is also a concern that putting developers in another list will
> decrease their attention to the bigger part of the community. I believe
> this is a serious concern and that it's going to be our role as leaders
> of this community to prevent this from happening.
> 
> I'd suggest to dedicate the existing mailing list for discussions about
> usage of OpenStack (deployment and development of applications on top of
> OpenStack API) and create a new one only for developers of OpenStack.
> "Developers" in this context should be developers of openstack projects
> (nova, swift, quantum, etc).
> 
> If there is no opposition to this proposal in the next days, I'll
> proceed and create openstack-dev and invite developers to subscribe to
> it.
> 
> cheers,
> stef
> 
> 
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