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[John Dickinson <me@xxxxxx>]

I would prefer to keep the list together. I do not think the volume of either dev or user conversations is too oppressive to the other, and I would like to avoid wither group being neglected by the other.

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On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:16 AM, "Wayne A. Walls" <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I remember having this discussion at the Cactus design summit, and the reoccurring theme was dev vs sysads/deployment.  I was in favor of a split list then, but over the past year my stance has changed a bit.
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> I don't know if I feel that OpenStack has reached the level where deployment knowledge is absent of "dev" knowhow.  Deployers of OS are typically in irc/ml/forums pasting stack traces, working through problems with dev help.  Once we start seeing more public deployments, reference architectures, etc, then maybe? 
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> Do devs think there is too much noise on the main ml?  What has the impact been on splitting the irc channels out?  To me, I just idle in two places now, but did that really have a big impact?  I tend to agree with John's points, I don't want the presumably easiest ml to consume to be neglected by some of the brightest minds in the project. 
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> Thanks,
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> Wayne
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> On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:11 PM, "John Purrier" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> My 2 cents...
>> 
>> The traffic on the list is less than 100 messages per day, of that about 35%
>> is bug notifications. I wonder if we redirect the "developer" oriented email
>> on the list whether we will have 10 messages a day on the original openstack
>> mailing list.
>> 
>> Stefano, can you elaborate on why the developers feel a split is necessary
>> at this point? Most (if not all) of the traffic is developer oriented, what
>> is the problem we want to solve?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: openstack-bounces+john=openstack.org@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:openstack-bounces+john=openstack.org@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of Stefano Maffulli
>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:35 PM
>> To: openstack
>> Subject: [Openstack] Creating openstack-dev mailing list
>> 
>> Jesse Andrews (anotherjesse)(Rackspace)
>> Jonathan Bryce (jbryce)(Rackspace)
>> Devin Carlen (devcamcar)(Nebula)
>> Thierry Carrez (ttx)(Rackspace)
>> John Dickinson (notmyname)(Rackspace))
>> Vish Ishaya (vishy)(Rackspace)
>> Josh Kearney (jk0)(Rackspace)
>> Joshua McKenty (jmckenty)(Piston)
>> Ewan Mellor (ewanmellor)(Citrix)
>> Jay Pipes (jaypipes)(Rackspace)
>> John Purrier (johnpur)(HP)
>> Monty Taylor (mordred)(Rackspace)
>> Paul Voccio (pvo)(Rackspace)
>> Ziad Sawalha (zns)(Rackspace)
>> 
>> Hello folks,
>> 
>> I've been talking to quite a few developers participating to the Design
>> Summit and a recurring request I got is to create a new mailing list for
>> the OpenStack developers to meet and discuss.  
>> 
>> There is also a concern that putting developers in another list will
>> decrease their attention to the bigger part of the community. I believe
>> this is a serious concern and that it's going to be our role as leaders
>> of this community to prevent this from happening.
>> 
>> I'd suggest to dedicate the existing mailing list for discussions about
>> usage of OpenStack (deployment and development of applications on top of
>> OpenStack API) and create a new one only for developers of OpenStack.
>> "Developers" in this context should be developers of openstack projects
>> (nova, swift, quantum, etc).
>> 
>> If there is no opposition to this proposal in the next days, I'll
>> proceed and create openstack-dev and invite developers to subscribe to
>> it.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> stef
>> 
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