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["Mark Washenberger" <mark.washenberger@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Can you talk a little more about how you want to apply this failure notification? That is, what is the case where you are going to use the information that an operation failed? In my head I have an idea of getting code simplicity dividends from an "everything succeeds" approach to some of our operations. But it might not really apply to the case you're working on.

"Sandy Walsh" <sandy.walsh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:

> For orchestration (and now the scheduler improvements) we need to know when an
> operation fails ... and specifically, which resource was involved. In the majority
> of the cases it's an instance_uuid we're looking for, but it could be a security
> group id or a reservation id.
> 
> With most of the compute.manager calls the resource id is the third parameter in
> the call (after self & context), but there are some oddities. And sometimes we
> need to know the additional parameters (like a migration id related to an instance
> uuid). So simply enforcing parameter orders may be insufficient and impossible to
> enforce programmatically.
> 
> A little background:
> 
> In nova, exceptions are generally handled in the RPC or middleware layers as a
> logged event and life goes on. In an attempt to tie this into the notification
> system, a while ago I added stuff to the wrap_exception decorator. I'm sure you've
> seen this nightmare scattered around the code:
> @exception.wrap_exception(notifier=notifier, publisher_id=publisher_id())
> 
> What started as a simple decorator now takes parameters and the code has become
> nasty.
> 
> But it works ... no matter where the exception was generated, the notifier gets:
> *   compute.<host_id>
> *   <method name>
> *   and whatever arguments the method takes.
> 
> So, we know what operation failed and the host it failed on, but someone needs to
> crack the argument nut to get the goodies. It's a fragile coupling from publisher
> to receiver.
> 
> One, less fragile, alternative is to put a try/except block inside every top-level
> nova.compute.manager method and send meaningful exceptions right from the source.
> More fidelity, but messier code. Although "explicit is better than implicit" keeps
> ringing in my head.
> 
> Or, we make a general event parser that anyone can use ... but again, the link
> between the actual method and the parser is fragile. The developers have to
> remember to update both.
> 
> Opinions?
> 
> -S
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