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[Armando Migliaccio <amigliaccio@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Another perspective worth considering is immaturity vs growth. Are
there enough progresses being made? When problems are identified, are
these solved swiftly and effectively? I think the people involved in
the OpenStack community do and have done a great job in this regard,
and should be praised rather than bashed.

I personally think that talking about immaturity does not address the
major question one should ask: assess if the platform fit the bill for
whatever goals/requirements one has.

So going back to Sébastien Han's question: what are you looking for in
OpenStack?

My 2c
A.

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Joshua Harlow <harlowja@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Maybe it would be more interesting, instead of getting on the defensive to
> instead start asking what people think is broken or is immature and fix
> those areas.
>
> Push forward, get peoples feelings about it, and take it as constructive
> input. If people think its immature, ask for why and then fix those
> points...
>
> -Josh
>
>
> On 4/4/12 1:05 PM, "Jay Payne" <letterj@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> There are many projects rolled up into the thing called "OpenStack".
> Nova is only one of them and is the one that most people are talking
> about when they say "OpenStack".   This does a huge disservice to the
> other projects especially Swift.
>
> It's very frustrating to see the other projects all painted with the
> Nova brush.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ryan Lane <rlane@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> According to the statement of this article from Gartner
>>>
>>> group http://blogs.gartner.com/lydia_leong/2012/04/03/citrix-cloudstack-openstack-and-the-war-for-open-source-clouds/ Openstack is a
>>> highly immature platform.
>>> But why? What's make Openstack so immature?
>>>
>>> Any comments on that?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance :)
>>>
>>
>> I agree that it's an immature platform. That said, it's also a very
>> young platform and isn't that to be expected? There's a number of
>> things that need to be fixed before I'd ever recommend Nova's use in
>> production:
>>
>> 1. There's no upgrade path currently. Upgrading requires fairly
>> substantial downtime.
>> 2. Live migration is broken. Utterly.
>> 3. Every release fixes so many things that it's really important to
>> upgrade every time; however, only one release will likely be supported
>> every Ubuntu LTS release, meaning you're either stuck with a really
>> old (likely broken) version of nova, or you're stuck will a very
>> likely unstable version of Ubuntu. This will be easier over time, when
>> nova is more stable and has less bugs, but it's incredibly painful
>> right now.
>>
>> That said, I feel OpenStack's strengths greatly outweigh its
>> immatureness. I ran a private cloud at my last organization using a
>> VMWare ESXi cluster. It was more mature, upgrades worked
>> appropriately, live migration was solid, etc. I had (and still have)
>> the choice to run VMWare for my current project and am extremely happy
>> with my choice of OpenStack. The flexibility provided by the platform
>> and my ability to contribute to its future make its immaturity a
>> non-concern. Every release gets closer and closer to a stability point
>> I'm comfortable with.
>>
>> This article isn't bad news. In fact, I'd say it shows that
>> competitors see OpenStack as a fairly major threat. We should be
>> celebrating this ;).
>>
>> - Ryan
>>
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