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[Matt Joyce <matt.joyce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

+1 to everything dean said.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Dean Troyer <dtroyer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Andrew Clay Shafer
> <acs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > You say OpenStack has survived, but I believe we may have compounded and
> > multiplied the challenges OpenStack faces by collectively neglecting to
> > resolve this. Without going into all the technical necessity and
> political
> > complexity, I would argue we allowed OpenStack fragmentation at the
> project
> > level. Without a unified conscience of purpose, the fragmentation only
> gets
> > magnified at the point users are interacting with different deployments.
>
> This fragmentation with projects and goals is a real threat to the
> long-term viability of OpenStack as a cloud standard.
>
> > I don't believe that the kernel is a perfect analogy, but even if it was
> > this one sentence 'OpenStack is like the Linux kernel' will not make it
> so.
>
> Honestly, I HATE this analogy.  OpenStack has no BDFL, it has now a
> foundation that is governed by Corporate interests that have a history
> of working on common standards and tweaking them to add 'value'
> ('differentiation' I think is the buzzword for that).  The
> organization of the foundation is partially designed to prevent any
> one or two of these interests from pushing the whole in their
> particular direction.  The foundation will have to prove itself
> capable of pulling the projects forward. Together.
>
> > What is the OpenStack equivalent of this?
> > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/8/495
>
> The problem we have is that people in Linus' position are not created,
> they grow and the position, respect and authority is earned.  The TC
> may be able to earn some of that over time, but without unifying
> leadership it will be tough going.  Hopefully their separation from
> the rest of the board can give them a chance to provide the technical
> leadership and direction needed even if it stubs a few toes along the
> way.
>
> It kills me that the acronym for OpenStack Foundation is OSF.  While I
> don't think we can really be the Linux of the cloud any time soon, we
> will have to really work to NOT be the UNIX of the cloud...
>
> dt
>
> --
>
> Dean Troyer
> dtroyer@xxxxxxxxx
>
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