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[Frans Thamura <frans@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

thx for the reply ;)

and your "bahasa" posting also in my twit and in this mailing list

yes,

after researching cloudfoundry for years, i tought chris richardson
mentioned it far before acquired by Spring, and far before spring become
part of vmware.

and far before openstack ;).. CMIIW i tought in 2007.

and start that, and try to promote openstack (with become chapter for
indonesia)

the work more exciting..

and esp after my friend show stackato, and post appfog plus piston in this
mailinglist


my research getting deep, and find the fork become interesting but bad.. :)
because to many option,

my background mostly from Java world, we know a lot of Java API in the
world, and we make standard like JAX-RS, JPA, JavaEE, JavaSE

i try to map this experience with what people do in Cloud, esp in both
world OpenStack and CloudFoundry , which i interest both.

openstack is clear :)..

but cloudfoundry esp the fork, make me need more feedback from both world,
openstack and cloudfoundry.

i love to bring the cloudfoundry brand to the market, and make new people
like me, have a strict clear direction, and i feel CF like new JavaEE for
Cloud but no JCP (the standard body in Java)

NB: I also discuss with VMware Country Manager about this Andreas Kagawa, a
long discussion happen from last Country Manager of Indonesia.




On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Patrick Chanezon <chanezon@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Hi Frans, Bisa saya bantu?
>
> I'm not sure what your question is: my perspective on Cloud Foundry and
> OpenStack has not changed since last year: "let a thousand clouds bloom!"
> http://wordpress.chanezon.com/?p=1729
>
> John from AppFog and Diane from ActiveState expressed really well how
> Cloud Foundry helps them address their customer's requirements, and what
> value there is in having a common ecosystem around that codebase.
>
> Thanks to PistonCloud's BOSH OpenStack CPI
> https://github.com/piston/openstack-bosh-cpi, Cloud Foundry and OpenStack
> are now like peanut butter and jelly, letting developers build a private or
> public PaaS based 100% on open source software.
>
> I find the the hybrid cloud possibilities opened up by standardizing on
> the Cloud Foundry APIs that John outlines in his mail, and that AppFog
> implements today super promising, and expect a lot of innovation in that
> space in the next few years.
>
> Listing Cloud Foundry forks and what developers are doing with it to solve
> their specific needs will be a fun project: I hear about a lot of
> innovation where developers fork specific parts of it to add value or solve
> a specific problem.
>
> What Rakuten did with Fluentd to persist logs is a good example
>
> https://groups.google.com/a/cloudfoundry.org/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/vcap-dev/fluentd/vcap-dev/pXFkthOwAqg/ZZRsUZQ7_9QJ
> The stackato-router that ActiveState announced last week, with websocket
> and soon SPDY support
> http://www.activestate.com/blog/2012/09/rocking-it-stackato-and-websocketsis another great example of the kind of innovation that a bazaar style open
> source project can generate.
>
> I'd recommend subscribing to the vcap-dev mailing list, where a lot of the
> action around the codebase is.
>
> Last, on the community side, I saw that you created a cloudfoundry-id
> group: Terima kasih for that!
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!forum/cloudfoundry-id
>
> Although my Bahasa is very limited, I applied to the group and will rely
> on Google Translate to understand what people are posting about and try
> answering in english.
> Our team organized events in China last year, in India this year, I hope
> we'll do something in SE Asia in 2013: I'll keep you in the loop when we
> organize it.
>
> I'd like to conclude on a Bob Dylan, quote, from "The Times They Are
> A-Changin'", that I think applies very well to the current move from IaaS
> to PaaS.
>
> "Come gather 'round people
> Wherever you roam
> And admit that the waters
> Around you have grown
> And accept it that soon
> You'll be drenched to the bone
> If your time to you
> Is worth savin'
> Then you better start swimmin'
> Or you'll sink like a stone
> For the times they are a-changin'."
>
> The waters of complexity are rising, so you better start swimmin' to a
> higher level of abstraction that PaaS provides you:-)
>
> P@
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Frans Thamura <frans@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> thx Peter. awesome explaination
>>
>> i am working to list the CF cloud implementation, and seek which one
>> become opensource again after modification (fork), or make it
>> propietary.
>>
>> esp one of my friend that sell cloud services here just do roadshow
>> today. promoting cloud for startup (my test it is using stackato) with
>> Microsoft that promoting Azure.
>>
>>
>>
>> I love have a single CF which the edition can run on OpenStack. (esp
>> VMWare is Sponsor for OpenStack summit also -- strange what is the
>> positioning between vsphere and openstack --).
>>
>>
>> i think the variety of CF and OpenStack, will bring more value to both
>> community, esp I try to manage both community.
>>
>>
>> still waiting Patrick Chanezone comment about this, because he is
>> DIrector of Developer Relations in VMWare that spoke CloudFoundry
>>
>> Frans
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/15/12, John Purrier <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Glad to see some discussion of PaaS and OpenStack on this list. The blog
>> > post that Frans linked to below is a very good overview of how we
>> (AppFog)
>> > use, and contribute to, the Cloud Foundry open source project.
>> >
>> > What may not be apparent is that Cloud Foundry provides not only a
>> starting
>> > point for building open PaaS solutions, but also an industry standard
>> API.
>> > We have implemented CF on a variety of public infrastructures (RAX
>> > OpenStack, HP OpenStack, AWS) and have the capability of deploying to
>> > standardized private/on-prem cloud solutions (OpenStack based from
>> > Rackspace, Piston, Red Hat etc.; AWS compatible from Eucalyptus, etc.).
>> > With
>> > a standard API definition there is the opportunity to be much more
>> > inclusive
>> > in the PaaS solution space.
>> >
>> > For instance, AppFog not only supports Infrastructure Clouds as
>> application
>> > targets, but also native Platform Clouds, such as Windows Azure. This is
>> > made possible through our partnership with Microsoft by building a Cloud
>> > Foundry API that translates to the native Windows Azure platform
>> services.
>> > Going forward we believe that this will become more commonplace, and
>> that
>> > the CF API will, in fact, be the defacto PaaS API.
>> >
>> > Huge opportunities open for cloud providers, IT departments, and
>> developers
>> > once it is trivial to move application workloads from one cloud to
>> another.
>> > Whether this is private/public hybrid and bursting scenarios, movement
>> > between private data centers to facilitate consolidation, or developers
>> > easily being able to leverage multiple cloud providers for HA/DR
>> purposes…
>> > This is enabled by the common Platform API and services that the open
>> Cloud
>> > Foundry PaaS project provides.
>> >
>> > This is not future stuff, it is happening now. Try it for free here:
>> > https://console.appfog.com/signup Create an app, find the clone button
>> in
>> > the console, and copy the app to a different continent/provider with 1
>> > click.
>> >
>> > Certainly if you are involved with OpenStack; as a developer, service
>> > provider, or IT professional, it is worth your while to take a look at
>> the
>> > open source Cloud Foundry project: http://www.cloudfoundry.org .
>> Providing
>> > an open PaaS over your OpenStack infrastructure will significantly help
>> > your
>> > developers and operational teams.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > John Purrier
>> > Chief Technology Officer  appfog.com <http://www.appfog.com>
>> > jpurrier@xxxxxxxxxx
>> > john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > About: johnpur <http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnpur>
>> >
>> > From:  Frans Thamura <frans@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Date:  Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:12 PM
>> > To:  Diane Mueller ActiveState <dianem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Cc:  "openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject:  Re: [Openstack] paas in openstack and forked cloudfoindry
>> >
>> > and this is appfog.
>> >
>> >
>> http://blog.cloudfoundry.org/2012/09/13/how-we-built-appfog-using-cloud-foun
>> > dry/
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Frans Thamura (曽志胜)
>> > Shadow Master and Lead Investor
>> > Meruvian.
>> > Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider.
>> >
>> > Mobile: +628557888699
>> > Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id)
>> >
>> > FB: http://www.facebook.com/meruvian
>> > TW: http://www.twitter.com/meruvian / @meruvian
>> > Website: http://www.meruvian.org
>> >
>> > "We grow because we share the same belief."
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Frans Thamura <frans@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >> yes, that why i found OpenPaaS (openpaas.or.id <http://openpaas.or.id>
>> ),
>> >> in
>> >> conjuction with openstack-id
>> >>
>> >> inside openpaas we create cloudfoundry-id.
>> >>
>> >> and now try to learn and research the effect of cloudfoundry, and value
>> >> proposition on openstack
>> >>
>> >> yes, we tested OpenStack + Stackato here, and tomorrow the cloud
>> roadshow
>> >> for
>> >> startup just starting. hope Indonesia can bring new value in how PaaS
>> >> value-ing the startup to more competitive
>> >>
>> >> Frans
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Diane Mueller ActiveState
>> >> <dianem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> frans,
>> >>>
>> >>> The cloud foundry community has a number of vendors that have
>> leveraged
>> >>> the
>> >>> CloudFoundry core in commercial offerings including ActiveState's
>> >>> Stackato
>> >>> and Vmware'  <http://cloudfoundry.com> cloudfoundry.com
>> >>> <http://cloudfoundry.com>
>> >>>
>> >>> The CloudFoundry PaaS project is a great example of an OpenPaaS -
>> and, in
>> >>> all
>> >>> it's variations, cloudfoundry runs and scales wells on OpenStack.
>> "Forks"
>> >>> and
>> >>> "extensions" to the core project are to be expected and encouraged
>> >>>
>> >>> This is the "bazaar" effect of open source, the cloud foundry open
>> >>> source
>> >>> project has an active and vibrant Community - and makes it "open for
>> >>> business" as each variation meets the needs of different use cases.
>> >>> CloudFoundry.com <http://CloudFoundry.com>  is VMware's publicly
>> hosted
>> >>> PaaS
>> >>> that offers a subset of the languages available in the Open Source
>> code
>> >>> base.
>> >>> Stackato delivers the software for Enterprise Private Clouds to
>> install
>> >>> and
>> >>> manage their own Private PaaSes on-premise. We obviously have added
>> alot
>> >>> of
>> >>> additional functionality to make Stackato secure and enable it to be
>> easy
>> >>> to
>> >>> deploy on-premise.
>> >>>
>> >>> ActiveState's Stackato leverages cloudfoundry and a number of other
>> open
>> >>> source projects in our commercial Private PaaS offering. We maintain
>> API
>> >>> compatibility with CloudFoundry, we  contribute back to the project,
>> >>> we've
>> >>> open sourced our client and continue to enhance our offerings.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'd encourage anyone in the OpenStack community to take a closer look
>> at
>> >>> the
>> >>> cloud foundry project and get involved in helping to continue to
>> ensure
>> >>> that
>> >>> it works well as an OpenPaaS for  OpenStack.
>> >>>
>> >>> Diane Mueller
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Frans Thamura <frans@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> hi all
>> >>>>
>> >>>> we try to make openstack as paas using cloudfoundry. and also seeking
>> >>>> alternative to it
>> >>>>
>> >>>> shocked that there are forked cloudfiundry. and got that vmware
>> manage
>> >>>> different way his cloudfoundry
>> >>>>
>> >>>> there are piston, stackato i hear appfog
>> >>>>
>> >>>> never hear cf manage the way people do. in this case forking esp bosh
>> >>>>
>> >>>> bosh is the link to openstack and got the forker using openstack as
>> >>>> platform
>> >>>>
>> >>>> i try to see in different way. hoe openstack work with them and what
>> is
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> best
>> >>>>
>> >>>> glad there are competition. but sadly one become many rather unique
>> >>>> innovation
>> >>>>
>> >>>> any feedback? i try to promote open paas and openstack in one
>> community
>> >>>> program
>> >>>>
>> >>>> thx all
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Frans Thamura
>> >>>> Meruvian
>> >>>>
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>>
>> --
>> --
>> Frans Thamura (曽志胜)
>> Shadow Master and Lead Investor
>> Meruvian.
>> Integrated Hypermedia Java Solution Provider.
>>
>> Mobile: +628557888699
>> Blog: http://blogs.mervpolis.com/roller/flatburger (id)
>>
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>> Website: http://www.meruvian.org
>>
>> "We grow because we share the same belief."
>>
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> Patrick Chanezon
> Senior Director, Developer Relations, VMware
> http://cloudfoundry.com/
> http://wordpress.chanezon.com/
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