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[Frans Thamura <frans@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

hi matt

glad hear that openshift also opensource :)..

a like a choice of PaaS in cloud, and OpenStack as reference.

a lot of homework in our OpenPaaS team, which we reposiiton our
OpenStack User group more technical, like demo apps , which right now
we distribute the material in PDF using bahasa..


Frans


On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Matt Hicks <mhicks@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 09/12/2012 09:13 PM, Frans Thamura wrote:
>>
>> hi all
>>
>> we try to make openstack as paas using cloudfoundry. and also seeking
>> alternative to it
>>
>> shocked that there are forked cloudfiundry. and got that vmware manage
>> different way his cloudfoundry
>>
>> there are piston, stackato i hear appfog
>>
>> never hear cf manage the way people do. in this case forking esp bosh
>>
>> bosh is the link to openstack and got the forker using openstack as
>> platform
>>
>> i try to see in different way. hoe openstack work with them and what is
>> the best
>>
>> glad there are competition. but sadly one become many rather unique
>> innovation
>>
>> any feedback? i try to promote open paas and openstack in one community
>> program
>>
>> thx all
>>
>> Frans Thamura
>> Meruvian
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Warning - I'm a biased party since I work on OpenShift, but I couldn't
> resist...
>
> Another good option to consider is OpenShift.  OpenShift [1] has also been
> designed from the ground up around an extensible 'cartridge' model [2] that
> allows any software to be integrated and managed by the platform.
> OpenShift's dependencies are also isolated to the operating system which
> allow it to work on any IaaS solution like OpenStack.  We think the
> combination of secure multi-tenancy that OpenShift provides in conjunction
> with private cloud capabilities that OpenStack provides is really powerful.
> If you want to see something up and running quickly, you can check out what
> the Heat API guys have done with OpenStack + OpenShift [3].
>
> In terms of PaaS 'API' standardization, I think the industry is a ways out
> from that.  While higher level PaaS API's might seem to provide portability,
> many lower level details still are exposed that the applications are forced
> to deal with.  Those include things like application runtimes, storage,
> operating system versions and isolation techniques.
>
> That said, our goal is to build strong standards in this space over time.
> We are involved in several industry PaaS standards but they are still a ways
> out from being finalized [4][5].  Also, consider how fast the multi-tenancy
> technologies themselves are evolving in the operating system (e.g. kernel
> namespaces, linux control groups, selinux sandboxes) in addition to the ways
> to utilize them (e.g. lxc).  Given that pace, it feels a little early to
> make long term decisions about where to draw the line between a virtual
> machine and a linux container.  Knowing how to leverage 'containers' is
> critical enough for a PaaS that I believe we'll have to have more
> standardization at that layer before we see the PaaS evolution slow down.
>
> In the meantime though, we're going to keep hacking on OpenShift and
> OpenStack, so if there is anything you'd like to see, just let us know! [6]
>
> 1 - http://red.ht/In0DOn
> 2 - http://red.ht/Il2XBZ
> 3 - https://github.com/heat-api/heat/wiki/Runningopenshift
> 4 - http://www.infoq.com/news/2012/08/CAMP-PaaS
> 5 - https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=tosca
> 6 - https://openshift.redhat.com/community/open-source#Discussion_Forums
>
> -Matt
>
>
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