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[Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Oct 25, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Joshua Harlow <harlowja@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> As for statgen, I think that¹s just a temp repo, it'd be nice to have the
> end result of this be a library that provides somewhat generic metrics and
> plugins and such so that stacktech could use the outputs of it, ceilometer
> could the outputs and other systems could use the outputs (where an output
> goes would be configurable so that each system can configure its outputs
> as the operator desires, ie I want my MONITOR metrics to go to MQ in
> ceilomter and stacktech consumable formats, or to files or to...).
> 
> I think when this gets going we should have some repo/project name that
> goes on stackforge so that even while this is being developed it can go
> through the normal review process and such (and not in someones special
> github repo). But we have to start somewhere, something we can discuss as
> to what a good solution is @ the meeting.

At the summit, as part of the discussions around expanding the scope of ceilometer to cover measurement for monitoring, we discussed developing the library as part of ceilometer for now and either moving it to Oslo for release as a library or just releasing the library as a separate package from the ceilometer project directly.

Doug

> 
> -Josh 
> 
> On 10/25/12 5:47 PM, "Jeffrey Budzinski" <jeffreyb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Yes, I think support for metrics objects that can be leveraged both by
>> monkey patches and decorators was what we'd been thinking along the lines
>> of. The metrics would be controlled via config both in what scopes are
>> active (e.g. on|off for a package, module, etc.) and also the outlet for
>> the metrics (file, datagram, rpc). Support for instrumentation levels
>> would also be nice so that metric flow could be controlled (i.e.
>> instrumentation point is annotated as METRIC, MONITOR, PROFILE and then
>> level to actually emit can be set in conjunction with a metric
>> outlet/sink). With this approach, folks could control both the volume of
>> metrics and also the outlet for the metrics. Ceilometer would also be an
>> outlet that could be leveraged via RPC flow for metrics -- though I'd
>> expect some would want to send via datagram to statsd or file for offline
>> log aggregation.
>> 
>> I'll post a diagram tomorrow for review and comment.
>> 
>> Oh btw, I updated the spec with most of what was in the etherpad. We can
>> update the spec to reflect whatever we decide is the preferred approach.
>> 
>> -jeff
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Angus Salkeld wrote:
>> 
>>> On 25/10/12 11:13 +0000, Sandy Walsh wrote:
>>>> grizzly-common-instrumentation seems to be the best choice ...
>>>> hopefully the other groups will use this etherpad too.
>>>> 
>>>> We need a proper blueprint to nail down the approach. IRC is great,
>>>> but doesn't retain history for other groups. I think we need to get a
>>>> plan for translating the etherpad into something concise and nailed
>>>> down.
>>> 
>>> Agree.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> statgen should really just be a new notifier in Tach (or Scrutinize)
>>>> ... vs copy-pasting the code into yet-another repo.  Hopefully that's
>>>> the plan? Tach should remain a generic tool and not pegged to OpenStack.
>>> 
>>> Well that was just an "ideas play pen" not serious code.
>>> 
>>> I might be coming at this from a slightly different angle...
>>> I was looking at a library that can be used to generate trace,
>>> monitoring
>>> and metering data (kind of like log levels for logging). Currently both
>>> Tach and Scrutinize don't have enough fields (of course that could be
>>> changed).
>>> 
>>> Also I think we should be able to insert instrumentation into the code
>>> as well
>>> as have the function level performance metrics monkey patched.
>>> 
>>> Then we could have a config that directed metric data to different
>>> notifiers
>>> like how you do it in Scrutinize perhaps. Also enforcing data rate
>>> limits
>>> and possible data aggregation could be neat configurable features.
>>> 
>>> Anyway more at the meeting...
>>> 
>>> -Angus
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -S
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=rackspace.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [openstack-bounces+sandy.walsh=rackspace.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] on
>>>> behalf of Angus Salkeld [asalkeld@xxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:00 AM
>>>> To: openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [Openstack] Ceilometer, StackTach, Tach / Scrutinize,
>>>> CloudWatch integration ... Summit followup
>>>> 
>>>> On 24/10/12 23:35 +0000, Sandy Walsh wrote:
>>>>> Hey y'all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Great to chat during the summit last week, but it's been a crazy few
>>>>> days of catch-up since then.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The main takeaway for me was the urgent need to get some common
>>>>> libraries under these efforts.
>>>> 
>>>> Yip.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, to that end ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. To those that asked, I'm going to get my slides / video
>>>>> presentation made available via the list. Stay tuned.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. I'm having a hard time following all the links to various efforts
>>>>> going on (seems every time I turn around there's a new
>>>>> metric/instrumentation effort, which is good I guess :)
>>>> 
>>>> Here is some fun I have been having with a bit of tach+ceilometer code.
>>>> https://github.com/asalkeld/statgen
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there a single location I can place my feedback? If not, should we
>>>>> create one? I've got lots of suggestions/ideas and would hate to have
>>>>> to duplicate the threads or leave other groups out.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll add some links here that I am aware of:
>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1071061
>>>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/grizzly-common-instrumentation
>>>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/grizzly-ceilometer-actions
>>>> 
>>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-instrumentation-metrics
>>>> -monitoring
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3. I'm wrapping up the packaging / cleanup of StackTach v2 with
>>>>> Stacky and hope to make a more formal announcement on this by the end
>>>>> of the week. Lots of great changes to make it easier to use/deploy
>>>>> based on the Summit feedback!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Unifying the stacktach worker (consumer of events) into ceilometer
>>>>> should be a first step to integration (or agree upon a common
>>>>> YAGI-based consumer?)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4. If you're looking at Tach, you should also consider looking at
>>>>> Scrutinize (my replacement effort)
>>>>> https://github.com/SandyWalsh/scrutinize (needs packaging/docs and
>>>>> some notifier tweaks on the cprofiler to be called "done for now")
>>>> 
>>>> Looks great! I like the monkey patching for performance as you have
>>>> done here, but we also need a nice clean way of manually inserting
>>>> instrumentation
>>>> too (that is what I have been experimenting with in statgen).
>>>> 
>>>> Can we chat in #openstack-metering so we are a bit more aware what we
>>>> are all up to?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Angus
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Looking forward to moving ahead on this ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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