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[Gabriel Hurley <Gabriel.Hurley@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I've been hoping some of the more design-oriented folks would weigh in on this issue, but that hasn't particularly happened...

My concern is that as engineers we're all comfortable with GitHub, but that it will end up being an impediment or discouragement for people who fall more on the creative side. I don't disagree with the benefits as stated and I'm willing to give any solution a try, but I want to be careful that we don't alienate a portion of the contributors by our choice of tools.

In general I leave it to the community, though. :-)

    - Gabriel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Openstack [mailto:openstack-
> bounces+gabriel.hurley=nebula.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Toshiyuki Hayashi
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 11:50 AM
> To: Jaromir Coufal
> Cc: openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Openstack] [Horizon] UX Discussions - proposal for better
> organization, rising activity and awareness
> 
> Hi Jarda,
> 
> Thank you for sharing the  G+ community, I just joined and will check the
> discussions!
> I  hope we can move to GH shortly, the new G+ UI is not so good for
> discussions.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Jaromir Coufal <jcoufal@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > Hi Toshi,
> >
> > it's great to meet you and thanks for support. What you mentioned here
> > is one of the issues: worse awareness of such an activity. Hopefully
> > GH will enhance this (as well as the other issues). Apart from being
> > among other projects, we can also help making it more visible with
> > some note on OpenStack pages / Horizon Launchpad then.
> >
> > Anyway, the G+ community is at following address:
> > https://plus.google.com/communities/100954512393463248122. If we
> agree
> > here, I'd like to move to GH as soon as possible, so we have all
> > discussions, proposals and materials archived there.
> >
> > Best
> > -- Jarda
> >
> >
> > On 2013/12/06 23:25, Toshiyuki Hayashi wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jarda,
> >
> > I'm Toshi, I'm also working on Horizon UI improvement (mainly network
> > topology view). I totally agree with you.
> > I've been wondering how to discuss the design ideas for Horizon, and I
> > think we need some documents such as a design guideline to keep
> > Horizon UI as a certain level of look&feel and interactions.
> > I believe your idea works very well for Horizon!
> > BTW, I didn't know the  Google+ community for Horizon. Could you
> > please share the URL?
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Jaromir Coufal <jcoufal@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everybody!
> >
> > my name is Jarda (shortening from Jaromir) and I'm working on Horizon
> > in a way of improvement the UX. Couple of weeks ago, there was set up
> > community on Google+ to group UX related people to discuss designing
> > issues. I think it was really great idea to start this effort and I
> > love to see all people interested in helping Horizon being a better
> > place. However, Google+ posts and discussions don't work very well for
> > broader discussions about design issues, and I'd like to state here few
> examples of why I think so:
> > - Comments are very narrow (worse readability, long comments are
> > really bad supported).
> > - Comments don't include images support.
> > - There is no way where to store supportive materials.
> > - Nobody knows what issues are resolved, what are still active.
> > - No possibility to search for related topic (was this already
> > discussed? Am I the first one to ask this?).
> > - Notifications are also not from the best ones (activity of members
> > just slipped down); not big awareness.
> >
> > ... and I have little bit more troubles with using it for design
> > discussions.
> > But long story short - I'd like to propose using GitHub for storing
> > documentation and starting discussions related to UX of OpenStack
> (Horizon).
> >
> > In my opinion the best way to deal with UX in Horizon is to create a
> > GitHub repository "user_experience" within OpenStack account, store
> > related documentation in there and use GitHub Issues for discussions.
> > Here are some
> > benefits:
> > * You can get subscribed to the repositoryor even just issue you are
> > interested in, so you get notifications on your mail or just online
> > (whatever works for you).
> > * Issues are grouping topics very well together so the discussion for
> > the topic stays at one place and everything is connected.
> > * Once the issue is solved we can close it (and it is archived).
> > * Issues have quite good options for text formatting.
> > * You can past image directly to the post.
> > * You can upload bigger temporary supportive materials to your forked
> > repository.
> > * The upstream repository itself can work as a good place to store UX
> > documentations for Horizon (wireframes, documents, guides, etc).
> > * What goes to the repository itself goes through pull-request process
> > so we can make sure that there are ideas which were publicly discussed
> > and accepted.
> >
> > Also, it provides better accessible way for any contributor, who is
> > having some UX related issue. Since "user_experience" repository would
> > be placed among other projects, it will be very easy to notice it and
> > find this place if I need such a help. So, it is more likely, that we
> > will increase activity and get more ideas together, also we enhance
> > connecting developers and design people together, if both are
> > contributing. I see UX as another project under OpenStack, though -
> > sure - little bit different type of project, but still a project. And
> > if we manage to get this project active we will definitely enhance resulting
> UX of Horizon, which is a goal.
> >
> > What do you think about this idea? Any thoughts? I'd be very happy to
> > help with setting this up so it works smoothly.
> >
> > Best
> > -- Jarda
> > jcoufal at #openstack-horizon
> >
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> Toshiyuki Hayashi
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