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[Tim Cook <timothywayne.cook@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Wagner,

Again,  thanks for your work here.

The FIRST & MAJOR problem is that in Python 2.6 the word 'with' became a
reserved word/keyword.  'With' is used in many places, but especially in
tests (there are over 2000 in Zope).  So, in reality, the use of Python
2.6 at this point is not a possibility.

The other interesting discovery that you made was about grok.container.
There is a thread (as of TODAY) that discusses the fact that even some
of the core grok developers didn't realize they were pulling in
zope.container via recipes.

The issue behind this is the dependency reduction work in the zope
community.  zope.container cause more than 80 dependencies.  They have
been refactored down but of course everyone needs to adjust at this
point.

I really only learned this myself, this week, when working on getting
ZODB3.9 working with OSHIP (because it provides RelStorage, which is
really cool) directly.  

While some of you may find all this frustrating.  I think many of you
will find it exhilarating! As Phillip Ebby said in his Forward to PvW's
book; "Where Zope leads, Python follows".  While the book is technically
wonderful.  The first Forward by Paul Everitt (Co-founder of what became
Zope, Corp.) and the second Forward by Ebby (think setuptools and much
much more) are worth the price of the book.  Even Guido worked at Zope
Corp before Google bought him out.

So.....my point is that yes this is frustrating at times.  Then we mix i
the complexity of healthcare and its constant change.  If you are a wimp
that likes stable, boring things.  Then this field and CERTAINLY OSHIP
isn't for you.  If you are bright and daring,  you are in the right
place.

I'll never tell you that you are wrong.  I may suggest, even insist at
times, that we go a slightly different route.  But I *always* keep an
open mind and a keen ear.  Convince me and I'll love you forever!
<lol>!!!!

Okay, so I got a little away from "Problem to install OSHIP".  
But, we are at an alpha stage.  I have 10 years worth of Zope in my
head.  I want to convey that in an OSHIP perspective and as long as we
have a group of people like Roger, Roberto, Eduardo & Wagner working on
the details we will be an awesome team.  But the team DOES need to be
bigger.  There are a lot of things to do.  Step up and I'll plug you in
to a spot that is right for you and the team.  This isn't industry, it
is open source development!

Wheeeeew!  I feel better.  :-)

Cheers,
Tim




On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 16:34 -0300, Wagner Francisco wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I added an old zope.container version in the versions.cfg and
> everything seemed working. But when I started the server and accessed
> the address I didn't can login in the system. I put the user and
> password and the system ask them again. Perhaps the problem is because
> my internet connection goes down while I was installing (maybe there
> is some corrupted file...). I will try to repeat the proccess. If it
> doesn't work, there is no problem, I install Ubuntu 8.10 in a virtual
> machine! 
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> 
> Wagner.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/5/18 Tim Cook <timothywayne.cook@xxxxxxxxx>
>         Hi Wagner,
>         
>         Thanks for your persistence.
>         
>         As I am progressing through the relstorage branch...I am
>         seeing how much
>         churn there is going on in the Zope3 environment.  One reason
>         why it is
>         also good to be a member of the grok list and zope lists.
>         
>         I must be honest here and say that this is a difficult time
>         for us at
>         OSHIP.  We depend on so many underlying components.  But this
>         is
>         normally a GOOD THING(tm)
>         
>         and will be in the future. There are THOUSANDS of Zope
>         implementations
>         and many of them running very high end, high availability
>         sites.  It too
>         often goes unnoticed.
>         
>         
>         Remember that we are working on alpha software based on alpha
>         software
>         that is based on beta software.
>         
>         
>         So; can you get more bleeding edge than that? :-)
>         
>         
>         In healthcare we are looking for stability and consistency.
>         But in the
>         world of OSHIP we are seeing such a move in innovation that we
>         cannot
>         ignore it.
>         
>         [I hope this translates]
>         
>         As a bit of a "pep-rally"; OSHIP will become the only really
>         open
>         source, spec compliant, application dev environment available
>         for
>         openEHR. Simply compare it to the Java implementation and the
>         Eiffel
>         implementation.  Sadly, the C# implementation is closed
>         source.
>         
>         I just upgraded (probably a bad choice of words) to Ubuntu
>         9.10.   If I
>         was really smart I would not have done that.  It is a mess
>         going from a
>         Python 2.5 centered OS to a 2.6 centered OS while trying to
>         work in a
>         Python 2.5 dev environment.  I am still working, but my
>         solution is so
>         specific and convoluted it isn't worth repeating here.
>         
>         The reality is that MANY of our components are going to be
>         Python 2.5
>         only for quite awhile.
>         
>         I believe that I can come up with a solution for everyone
>         within the
>         next few days.
>         
>         Cheers,
>         Tim
>         
>         
>         On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 14:30 -0300, Wagner Francisco wrote:
>         > Thanks for the quick answer, Tim! But I still have some
>         problems here.
>         > I installed python 2.5.4 and then when I used the virtualenv
>         I
>         > specified the python version with the -p argument. I run the
>         python
>         > bootstrap.py with the python 2.5 but I am having a version
>         conflict
>         > problem. The problem is:
>         >
>         > Error: There is a version conflict.
>         > We already have: zope.lifecycleevent 3.4.0
>         > but zope.container 3.8.2 requires
>         'zope.lifecycleevent>=3.5.2'.
>         >
>         > I removed the directories from /tmp and I restarted
>         everything about
>         > oship (I removed the oshipenv directory and download it
>         again).  I
>         > already tried to change the versions.cfg file and change the
>         > zope.lifecycleevent version, but I saw other errors like
>         this.
>         >
>         > Does Grok use another temporary directory? Or can you send
>         me another
>         > versions.cfg file?
>         >
>         >
>         > Thank you!
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > 2009/5/17 Tim Cook <timothywayne.cook@xxxxxxxxx>
>         >         On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 15:10 -0300, Wagner Francisco
>         wrote:
>         >         > Hello. I am trying to install OSHIP again and I am
>         having
>         >         some problems. I am using Ubuntu 9.04 and python
>         2.6.2.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         My apologies.  When we moved to Launchpad a I
>         rewrote the
>         >         install
>         >         instructions I see that I left out the Python 2.5.x
>         >         requirement.
>         >
>         >         I have corrected the install FAQ.
>         >
>         >         Cheers,
>         >         Tim
>         >
>         >
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