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[Israel <israel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Nio!
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On 02/24/2015 07:38 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Hi Israel and toriosadores,
>
> I downloaded, checked and tested 'ToriOS-i386-beta2.iso'
> and it has improved a lot from 'ToriOS-beta.iso' in only 2 days :-)
> But I have some suggestions for improvements.
>
> *Live Session*
>
> 1. *Larger fonts in the OBI* that is not full-screen
>
> I suggest that you change the Exec line to
>
> Exec=xterm -fa default -fs 13 -e /usr/share/OBI/starter
>
> in the file /Desktop/obi.desktop
>
> There is also an icon for it (to tell it from the full screen version),
>
> Icon=/usr/share/OBI/02_obi-splash-icon.png
>
> (to tell from 02_obi-hi-res-splash-icon.png)
I do have this fix, but I was also waiting to hear if you wanted a
gxmessage/xmessage dialog for opening the 3 docs

>
> 2. *Improved help* 'partition-help.txt'
>
> Nice that you make it dynamic :-) but there are two things I suggest
> that you change
>
> a. The file system in a shared data partition with Windows can be NTFS
> too. I think it is the best option, at least for a big data partition on
> a hard disk drive. If you want to share with MacOS, it might be limited
> to FAT 32 or FAT 16.
>
> b. You are showing the drive size and swap size in sectors (512 bytes).
> I think you should show Mibibytes instead, which is used by gparted, so
> divide by 1024*1024/512 = 2048
> and tell the user that it is Mibibytes.
Thank you, this is indeed what I wanted.  I am all over the place trying
to make things work nicely.  And I cannot test OBI on the fly as much.
I edit things in a live session, and then make changes on my computer...
so sometimes I do not get everything.

> -----
> You can install a system from a tarball into two partitions:
>
> one root file system partition and
> one swap partition
>
> This way it is possible to create a *dual boot* device with an existing
> (already
> installed) operating system. It is also possible to create a separate
> *data partition*, that can be used by linux as well as Windows. (Must be
> FAT32 or FAT16)
>
> # Comment: Can also be NTFS :-)
I think I just took your help text and added in some code from mkp*
I mostly worked on getting it to list drives for the new user, so thanks
for pointing this out!!

> OBI detects 2 devices
> sda sdb
>
> Edit and create partitions
>
> One partition should be labeled 'obi-root'
> One (smaller) partition should be labeled 'obi-swap'.
>
> These labeled partitions can be identified and selected automatically
> Manual selection is also possible, if you do not want to temporarily
> label them this way.
>
> For example:
> sda is 78140160
> the swap should be around 4665248
>
> # Comment: You are showing sectors (512 bytes).
> # I think you should show Mibibytes instead,
> # which is used by gparted, so divide by 1024*1024/512=2048
> -----
>
> c. I hardly noticed the window with this partition help text. I suggest
> that you put a delay of 3 seconds before the script continues and open
> gparted on top (and hides it). That way people will get aware of the
> help text.
That is a great idea
> -----
> ...q
> fi
> sleep 3
> sudo gparted && sudo "$path/obi"Is that by intention or a bug?
> -----
I intended for the user to complete using gparted before going on to obi
This way obi waits for gparted to finish.
> d. I would also suggest displaying the 'partition-help.txt' with the
> following string (one line, which makes it easier to see and read)
Honestly it should use xedit first and foremost.  So I will force xedit
as the default text editor in the build.
xedit is really a nice text editor (it is like pico/nano in many ways) 
there is no syntax highlighting though...
but honestly someone who likes syntax highlighting will be choosing
their favorite (geany/gedit/mousepad/etc...)
> xterm -fa default -fg black -bg beige -fs 13  -geometry 80x26 -title
> "Help to partition" -hold -e fold -sw 80 ~/partition-help.txt
>
> The size of the window should be made big enough for the whole text. The
> current text fits in 26 lines (including the final line feed). Modify
> the size if you change the file.
>
> or if you prefer zenity
>
> zenity --window-icon="info" --title="Help for partitioning" --width=800
> --height=600 --text-info --filename ~/partition-help.txt
>
> It is possible to control fonts and high-light text in zenity (as I do
> with mkusb).
>
> I can tweak partition-help (text and display method) for the display
> alternative that you decide to choose :-)
Yes please do this!!  That would be a huge help!

>
> 3. *nano is borked* segmentation fault
>
> I removed and installed it with
>
> sudo apt-get remove nano
> sudo apt-get install nano
>
> and it started working. But now the help text wants to be shown by less
> (xdg-open). So you need to do something (according to 2d.)
I know about this.  I think it is because I install without recommends
(slims the image to CD size).
Not entirely sure why, but I think I can make it work by installing it
separately with recommends.
>
> 4. *Desktop settings*
>
> The desktop is black in the live session. Is that by intention or a bug?
> I cannot change it. Nothing happens when I click on the icons to 'get
> there'.
hmmm... There is no wallpaper?

The desktop issue is something related to needing to rewrite the base
jwmrc file.
if you run
jwm-settings-manager -r
jwm-settings-manager -d
it will open.... so I will have to find out why it wants to crash
initially, and fix things in the image, and the program.

>
> 5. Description of OBI is on the desktop, but not the other two help
> texts (OBI-quick-start-manual.pdf and README.pdf). Is that by intention?
> That you think that help text is relevant, but not the other texts. I
> realize that there is the ToriOS manual too.
This is a side effect of using pcmanfm to put icons on the desktop per
Ali's suggestion.
OBI installs those to the Desktop folder of the Live user (i.e.
/root/Desktop in our case)
We can add in whatever we want to there, and remove the bottom panel.
>
> *Installed system*
>
> 1. *Slow boot*
>
> It was unually slow to get ready after installing in my IBM Thinkpad T42
> with Pentium M. I thought it was borked, but finally it arrived at the
> login screen. There was some information that it needed 'extra 60
> seconds to configure the network'. I don't know, if this was a temporary
> error, or if something has changed concerning network in the installed
> system (the tarball that comes with the beta2 iso file). But without a
> working network.
I may have to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and comment all the
other stuff out.

> I started it with
>
> sudo NetworkManager
>
> and started the panel applet with
>
> nm-applet
>
> (I know it can be started with a menu option too.)
>
>
> *Comments*
>
> free -m --> 55 MB RAM without network and 68 MB RAM with network and
> applet running !!!
>
> df -h --> 1.6G (Gibibytes)t 
>
> It is really light :-)
I know, this is really amazing to me.  This is very close to our
original goal of 50MB.  So I am very glad for under 60MB being attainable!
I think 50-70MB on average is much better than any current system that
will (hopefully) be as easy to use, and not look like Windows 95 :P

>
> Maybe I find more things to discuss or debug ...
please do!!
> Best regards
> Nio


-- 
Regards

-Israel
ToriOS Team