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[Leonardo Donelli <learts92@xxxxxxxxx>]

It's a design decision, get over it. I, and plenty of other people, do not want to waste screen space with ever presents menu when
 - you use them about 0-2% of the application usage time
 - Unity has HUD which is a better alternative to menus
 - it literally takes 0.2 seconds to show them (time you'd have to spend anyway to move the pounter to the menubar) and clicking on a menu item doesn't require any more movement/clicks/actions that doing so in permanent menubar does

If people need technical training to learn they have to move the mouse to where menus usually where to see them (most people get that intuitively or just need to be told /read about it once in their life...), they can use one of the ten thousand other DEs that have menu always visible and leave people who don't want them to THE ONLY DE (at the moment) that sensibly hides them.
Thanks.

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Title:
  Menus are hidden by default

Status in Ayatana Design:
  Confirmed
Status in Unity:
  Confirmed
Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu:
  Triaged
Status in “unity-2d” package in Ubuntu:
  Triaged

Bug description:
  Ubuntu 11.04, Ubuntu 11.10, Ubuntu 12.04

  1. Log in to Unity, and try to connect to a server: "File" > "Connect to Server".
  2. Launch Firefox, and try to select an item from the "Bookmarks" menu.

  What happens:

  1. The "File" menu, and the rest of Nautilus's menus, are hidden by default.
  - Unless you mouse over it, the menu bar is blank.
  - When you mouse over it, the menus appear.

  2. The "Bookmarks" menu, and the rest of Firefox's menus, are hidden by default.
  - Unless you mouse over it, the menu bar contains only the text "Firefox Web Browser", which isn't useful at all (especially, but not only, since the real name of the application -- "Mozilla Firefox" -- is already present in the window title bar).
  - When you mouse over it, the menus appear, partly but not completely replacing the previous text: "Firefox W File Edit View…".

  What should happen: Menus should be visible by default, so that you
  can know that they exist without scrubbing the screen, and so that you
  can see where a menu is each time you aim for it.

  The current behavior has led some people (including, this week, one of
  my design colleagues) to conclude that Ubuntu applications don't have
  menus when they do. For example
  <http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/gnome-shell-vs-ubuntu-
  unity-which-desktop-wins/2291>: "One of the most handy menu entries in
  GNOME (for me at least) is the Connect to Server entry in the Places
  menu. This allows the user to connect to nearly any type of server
  quickly and easily. The user can even connect to a Windows Share from
  here. In Unity - you won’t find that. In fact, you will be hard
  pressed to find any means to connect to a server in Ubuntu Unity."

  In bug 720424, Jono Bacon reported that "when we did some developer
  tools usability testing last week and on some other occasions when I
  have had someone use Unity, I have noticed that some folks don't
  realize there is a menu there as it is not visible."

  This was confirmed by usability testing of Ubuntu 11.04, where 2 out
  of the 10 people who needed to use a menu item could not find the
  menus at all -- and of the 8 who did find them, 7 did so only when the
  window was maximized. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-
  desktop/2011-April/002970.html (Usability testing results of Ubuntu
  11.10 or 12.04 have never been published, but this part of the design
  did not change.)

  Do not confuse this bug with bug 682788, which is about adding an
  option for visibility. Adding any options would not fix this bug,
  which is about menus being hidden *by default*.

  -------------------------------------
  Desired change:

  Implement the 'Enhanced Menu' project for 12.10. This project will
  address the issues described in this bug and also issues described in
  the duplicates of this bus. Note the 'official' bug that tracks the
  implementation of this project is bug #682788

  The following options will be added to 'System Settings/Appearance':

  -------
  Menus
  Location: Global/Local
  Visibility: Hidden/Always displayed
  -------

  More details to follow during the 12.10 cycle... ;-)

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