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[Bug 1900263] Re: In Hebrew environment, clock is reversed: minutes are shown before hours

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On 2013-07-03T18:20:09+00:00 matanya moses wrote:

Hello,

I have installed gnome-clocks and got this:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RTL_bug_in_gnome.png

How to reproduce:

1) choose a hebrew locale in the gnome lang setting
2) install gnome-clocks
3) create a new world clock
4) see if it looks like: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RTL_bug_in_gnome.png

and a bonus:

order of cityname and country are also wrong.

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On 2013-07-03T18:45:43+00:00 Andre Klapper wrote:

and I can confirm this in 3.8.

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On 2013-07-04T08:08:59+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

Thank you for reporting it, however this issue is well known already, in
other words, this bug is a duplicate of
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699681

moreover the bug report I am referring to is a duplicate of another one,
see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699681#c2 for more
details))

the bonus you mentioned however should be fixed by us))

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On 2013-07-04T13:31:35+00:00 Jiro Matsuzawa wrote:

Created attachment 248383
world: Fix location order issue in RTL lang

I wrapped the string of location info with the gettext funciton. Now
translators can change the order of a city name and a nation name.

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On 2013-07-04T13:52:54+00:00 Paolo-borelli wrote:

Review of attachment 248383:

Makes sense, but I guess it needs a translator comment

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On 2013-07-04T13:56:29+00:00 Andre Klapper wrote:

...which means
https://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/DevGuidelines/Use%20comments

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On 2013-07-04T16:09:32+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

(In reply to comment #2)
> Thank you for reporting it, however this issue is well known already, in other
> words, this bug is a duplicate of
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699681
> 
> moreover the bug report I am referring to is a duplicate of another one, see
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699681#c2 for more details))
> 
> the bonus you mentioned however should be fixed by us))
 I changed my mind)) I have tried this patches, like "%s, %s" and "%1$s, %2%s" 
and even tried to translate the string. And I must say, I do not see any visible change. If both city and country names are localized the displayed order is correct, other wise it looks like it looks. The only solution I see, is to translate the remaining city names into Hebrew.

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On 2013-07-04T16:16:04+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

Created attachment 248400
screenshot: clock in bottom, right stays for berlin, germany is on correct order. am I right?

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On 2013-07-04T16:57:38+00:00 matanya moses wrote:

yes, you are. if both are hebrew it is ok, the problem is only with
mixed RTL and LTR.

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On 2013-07-05T17:09:13+00:00 Jiro Matsuzawa wrote:

Hi Evgeny and matanya,

I might have misunderstood you. Reading Evgeny's mail [1], I understood
that you were concerned about the order of a city and a nation. But I
want to make it more clear what is the main point of this report. Is it
the order of TIME, not that of a city and a nation? If you say both of
them have a problem, you can file each problem as different bugs.

[1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2013-July/msg00001.html

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On 2013-07-05T17:20:13+00:00 Paolo-borelli wrote:

As far as I can tell the problem with time is tracked in 699681

The problem with the city name is not a bug, it is a problem when the
translation of libgweather is incomplete. I do not think we can fix it

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On 2013-07-17T10:55:04+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

(In reply to comment #10)
> As far as I can tell the problem with time is tracked in 699681
> 
> The problem with the city name is not a bug, it is a problem when the
> translation of libgweather is incomplete. I do not think we can fix it

I thought the same all the time, but I have investigated a little bit
and have discovered, that the city names are actually very well
translated, and it turned out to be a real bug 704021 in libgweather, it
is due to serialization and inability of the libgweather to output the
name of the location properly ((

I mean it only respects the locale settings once at runtime, and all
other changes via  GLib.Intl.setlocale  are ignored.

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On 2013-07-17T12:13:11+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

To solve the time issue, I suggest just to use the left-to-right mark!

well, inserting a left-to-right mark seems to fix the issue in general, so no
localization procedure(marking string for translation) is needed at all. In LTR languages it is just ignored. For the RTL languages is fixes the issue.

one of the possible solutions is: "%H\xE2\x88\xB6\xE2\x80\x8E%M"

where

left-to-right mark: \xE2\x80\x8E
ratio character: \xE2\x88\xB6

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On 2013-07-17T13:05:24+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

Created attachment 249401
patch proposal

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On 2013-07-18T21:13:20+00:00 Paolo-borelli wrote:

I like this approach, make sure to update the comment too to reflect the
reason why we are adding these character before committing

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On 2013-07-19T09:38:39+00:00 Jiro Matsuzawa wrote:

Thank you for the patch. But as you know, gnome-desktop has replaced "∶"
(U+2236 RATIO) with ":" (U+003A COLON) [1][2], and that approach will
fix the time format problem for gnome-clock, too. I think it would be
better because of 1. consistency with the desktop environment,
2.clearness for translators. What do you think?

[1]https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-desktop/commit/?id=a14c4fd24c30b5eb38fa3f93bb0938dc187941e9
[2]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696497

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On 2013-07-19T10:31:31+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

I think this change made in gnome-desktop by Bastien Nocera was not
authorized by the design-team, so we would ask them, and probably fix it
in gnome-desktop as well. Therefore, I think this was a temporary
solution. As you can see the bug report you have mentioned here, which
is also mentioned in comment 2 is still opened and the final decision
was not taken.

As far as I know the U+2236 RATIO character should be used, because it
just looks better. on my android smartphone the centralized colon is
used as well.

Allan, what do you say?

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On 2013-07-22T14:10:55+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

Created attachment 249806
patch proposal for time representation

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On 2013-07-22T14:12:41+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

Created attachment 249808
screenshot: gnome-clocks with hebrew locale

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On 2013-07-22T14:46:00+00:00 Evgeny Bobkin wrote:

(In reply to comment #15)
> Thank you for the patch. But as you know, gnome-desktop has replaced "∶"
> (U+2236 RATIO) with ":" (U+003A COLON) [1][2], and that approach will fix the
> time format problem for gnome-clock, too. I think it would be better because of
> 1. consistency with the desktop environment, 
I have talked with Bastien, and the idea in the gnome-desktop is to use ":" colon for the strings marked for translations there, so the translators simply do not need to deal with ratio and can use %R format. and afterwards in the code it will be replaced by the ratio character pretended by the LTR mark. It is still used as  you can observe https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-desktop/tree/po/en.po#n40

2.clearness for translators.
gnome-desktop will probably follow the above mentioned approach. and in the case of gnome-clocks this string is not markd at all for transtation.
> What
> do you think?
> 
> [1]https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-desktop/commit/?id=a14c4fd24c30b5eb38fa3f93bb0938dc187941e9
> [2]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696497

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** Changed in: gnome-desktop
       Status: Unknown => Confirmed

** Changed in: gnome-desktop
   Importance: Unknown => Medium

** Bug watch added: bugzilla.gnome.org/ #699681
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699681

** Bug watch added: bugzilla.gnome.org/ #696497
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696497

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Title:
  In Hebrew environment, clock is reversed: minutes are shown before
  hours

Status in gnome-desktop:
  Confirmed
Status in gnome-desktop3 package in Ubuntu:
  Fix Committed
Status in language-pack-gnome-he package in Ubuntu:
  Fix Released

Bug description:
  * Impact

  Ubuntu 20.10, normal gnome session.
  After recent updates, using right-to-left environment, such as Hebrew, the clock on top of the screen shows the time in reverse.
  For example, instead of showing 17:59,it shows 59:17.
  See attached screenshot.

  * Test case
  - install the hebrew language packs
  - select the locale
  - restart the session

  the clock on the top panel should display the hours on the left

  * Regression potential

  Check the clock in some of the other gnome-desktop API users (gnome-
  clocks, gnome-control-center, etc)

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  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.10
  Package: gnome-shell 3.38.1-1ubuntu1
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.8.0-23.24-generic 5.8.14
  Uname: Linux 5.8.0-23-generic x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu50
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  CurrentDesktop: GNOME
  Date: Sat Oct 17 19:02:30 2020
  DisplayManager: gdm3
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-09-05 (773 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.10 "Cosmic Cuttlefish" - Alpha amd64 (20180822)
  RelatedPackageVersions: mutter-common 3.38.1-1ubuntu1
  SourcePackage: gnome-shell
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to groovy on 2020-09-17 (30 days ago)

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