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[Benjamin Humphrey <humphreybc@xxxxxxxxx>]

*"I think this question highlights a lack of knowledge of the "rules" of
the desktop in Ubuntu."*
*
*
*Perhaps the rules need revision.
*
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Alan Pope <alan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 2010/1/13 Ilya Haykinson <haykinson@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > Please let me know if you think we need any changes to the questions.
> >
>
> "Do you believe a manual like this should be included in Lucid Lynx by
> default?"
>
> I have explained to Benjamin that I'm uncomfortable with the amount of
> focus being placed on getting the manual onto CD/ISO. Especially given
> it's so far unfinished, and not in main so ineligible to get on the
> CD. Putting pressure on the project to put this unfinished manual on
> the CD on the proviso that it may be ready on time raises a few
> issues:-
>
> * Pressure is placed on the ubuntu manual team ( a brand new team ) to
> get something on a CD which will be around for years (it's LTS).
> * Pressure is placed on the Ubuntu developers who manage the content
> of the CD. If the Ubuntu Manual team have gathered a massive amount of
> users who click "yes" but for some other reason it _cannot_ be put on
> the CD then the Ubuntu developers could well be painted as the
> bad/evil ones for not doing "what people want". The content of the CD
> isn't decided just by a popularity contest, all packages that go on
> the CD are very carefully considered.
> * There is no way the Ubuntu Manual team can guarantee that the manual
> package will be updated. It's all very well saying that the manual
> will be updated in every release and will be maintained within one
> release (bug fixes), but there is no way the team can guarantee that.
> That's up to maintainers of the main section of the repository.
> * In the event that the Ubuntu Manual team is unable to maintain the
> package (are there any MOTUs in the manual team?) it will likely fall
> to the Documentation Team to maintain the manual in the future. What
> provision has been made for this? Will the Doc team be happy
> maintaining two separate sets of documentation? (I suspect not)
>
> I've heard counter arguments that Ubuntu is too regimented and has too
> much process, and that the Manual should be able to somehow bypass
> this. Note that the processes we do have, have resulted in multiple
> on-time quality releases of Ubuntu that thousands of people work
> towards. We have a process for getting content in the main section and
> on the CD and that works. Lets not try to create exceptions to that
> process for one unfinished product.
>
> "If it was to be included by default, do you think it should be on the
> desktop?"
>
> I think this question highlights a lack of knowledge of the "rules" of
> the desktop in Ubuntu. It's a pointless question because we do not put
> _any_ icons or links directly on the desktop in a default install. I
> would recommend you remove it. If it were to be on the CD then it
> would likely be placed in a shared folder
> "/usr/share/doc/ubuntu-manual/" for example, and a link placed in some
> other folder, but there wont be an icon on the desktop, end of story.
>
> > Note that in the free version of the tool I can only ask 9 questions
> (plus
> > one slot that is used for the intro text), and can't have conditional
> logic
> > in the questions. I think that is not a serious limitation -- anything
> > longer is unlikely to get answered anyways.
> >
>
> Don't let the tool dictate the questions. If you want to ask more
> comprehensive questions then use another tool. Other survey systems
> are available, there's no rush to get this done in the next 7 hours.
>
> I'm keen for this project to succeed, but please be careful not to
> focus too much on getting on the CD, and not to rush things.
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
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