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[Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>]

Ok, I've got a balanced solution. On Android, with Google Maps you can do
something I have heard called "Pin to Zoom", wherein you double tap and
then slide. After you begin to slide, it zooms just like you're pinching to
zoom, but with one finger.

We need a pin to exit gesture. Double tap anywhere on the screen, (tap,
lift, tap and hold) then slide to the right. This will prevent accidental
gestures, and will literally work anywhere on the screen, even the very
edges we so desperately seek to avoid messing with.

Please consider this my preferred contribution to this discussion.

Sincerely,
Josh
On Jun 12, 2013 6:17 AM, "Lou Greenwood" <lougreenwood@xxxxxx> wrote:

>  I agree with Sid that any potential gesture should be possible with only
> one digit and preferably the thumb.
>
> I'm personally not keen on either the shake or pinch ideas. I think
> shaking is a cumbersome and ugly gesture on a phone (and especially
> tablet). After using iOS and having shake as the only method to invoke
> undo, I'm tired of feeling that I could fling my phone across the room
> accidentally!
> Pinching requires more than one digit, and in my opinion, interrupts the
> users flow (I realise I suggested it earlier, but on 2nd thought, it's not
> good UX).
>
> Taking the gesture idea further, how about the idea of tracing a circle
> (anti clockwise, one finger/thumb), in the centre of the screen, mimicking
> a large circular dial/knob as a method of navigating back. The welcome
> screen, circle device would fit this idea nicely. Each 'click' of this the
> gesture/dial would represent navigating back one step. It's essentially a
> software version of the click wheel. I can see the novelty value of this,
> but is it good UX?
>
> My main concerns with this idea would be:
>
>     (1) Why didn't Apple implement it on iOS, does it make for a bad
> experience?
>     (2) Dealing with increments - some dials may require, for example,
> just 2 steps, others 5. This would make the dial always un-familiar and
> play havoc with muscle     memory.
>
> Aside from the original gesture I suggested in my email (tracing a anti
> clockwise semi circle/back shape). I wonder if the toolbar should be
> visible by default on 'page stack' pages. I think that the page context
> requires it. I can only envision 2 types of scenario where page stack is
> used:
>
>     (1) Navigation to a destination (drilling down through lists).
>     (2) Destination (information of some kind that requires an action,
> whether adding, editing or navigating away via the 'Back' button).
>
> If this is actually the case and I'm not blind to other scenarios, I see
> that enforcing a chrome-less, full screen view without a toolbar would be
> detrimental to the experience. I feel that if the toolbar was visible on
> page stack sub pages, it would still be in-line with the spirit of using
> full screen to enable the best possible user experience (where appropriate).
>
> Taking it one step further, the toolbar could be shown by default on page
> stack sub pages, but hidden when the use begins scrolling, this idea comes
> from Evernote on iPhone when editing a note.
>
> However, I must concede that a visible toolbar wouldn't be anywhere near
> as attractive and clean as the current hidden-by-default toolbar!
>
> Lou
>
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> On 12/06/13 11:22, Sid Payton wrote:
>
> I really like the idea having a gesture for going back since the back
> button is hidden which is the biggest drawback ubuntu touch has in my eyes.
> But it shoudn't be something you need two or more fingers for. I want to
> be able to use my phone With just one hand.
> So a gesture Wirth is easy to do with the thumb comes to mind.
> Something like a fast stroke To the right and back to the left. Or to fast
> Strokes To the left. Something that doesn't interfear with the other
> gestures. Or like a triangle witjout the button. Just two strokes.
> Am 12.06.2013 11:41 schrieb "Clément Gimenez" <clement.gimenez@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
>>  Hello all,
>>
>>  First contribution as well for me today ;)
>>
>>  I agree with Lou's ideas : a nice gesture for going back would have a
>> real added value. Of course in addition to the "traditionnal" back button,
>> which then will be most of the time hidden in the menus for the old folks...
>>
>>  I'd go for the multitouch gesture : Pinching to come back to an upper
>> level seems to me quite natural. It's not new, as we have the same features
>> in the Android and Win8 homescreens that can be pinched to give an overview
>> on them.
>>
>>  For the particular case of the pictures app', we'll have problems to
>> combine it with zooming/unzooming the picture we are looking at.
>>
>>  That's why i'd say a 3 (or more)-fingers pinch would be necessary. This
>> would look like grabbing the screen with the whole hand, as we'd take away
>> the upper paper of a stack.
>>
>>  Congrats for the work done so far, and good luck with the upcomming
>> tasks !
>>
>>  Clément
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:11:51 +0100
>> > From: lougreenwood@xxxxxx
>> > To: ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > This is my first contribution to the list. I've only recently
>> discovered
>> > the Ubuntu Phone effort, but it looks like it will be very interesting,
>> > powerful & beautiful, kudos to the artists!
>> >
>> > I've just been looking through the design guidelines for Ubuntu Phone
>> > and something stuck out to me. I hope this is the right place to raise
>> > the concern and I'm not stepping on anyone's toes.
>> >
>> > Specifically, on the 'Page Stack' guidelines page
>> > (http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/building-blocks/page-stack), I noticed
>> > that the back button will always be hidden in the toolbar. Putting
>> > usability concerns aside that such an important exit method is hidden
>> by
>> > default (see iOS and it's omnipresent back buttons), I wonder whether
>> > using a gesture for navigating back has been considered, perhaps a
>> > pinch, or my favourite, tracing out the shape of the back icon (e.g a
>> > swipe upwards and to the left or more naturally, a circular motion from
>> > 6 o'clock anticlockwise to 9)? The vision for the OS seems to be very
>> > gesture focused, it seems it may have been over looked in this case.
>> >
>> > I imagine that the page stack will be a very common view, having to
>> > swipe up and then stretch and tap, just to go back, could become
>> > fatiguing. Perhaps once I get my hands on a working set-up my concerns
>> > will be unfounded.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> > Lou
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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