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[Lou Greenwood <lougreenwood@xxxxxx>]

Hi Josh,

I don't think there's anything wrong with it at all, in fact I think 
it's a nice, precise gesture for certain actions. However, I don't think 
that it, or any other gesture, solves the core problem that it is not 
obvious or easy to navigate backwards form a deep page stack page. The 
initial gesture idea I floated at the beginning was essentially a 
workaround to avoid changing the OS design. I now personally think the 
design needs further thought by the team, not band-aiding with a gesture.

If we work on the assumption that the toolbar is visible by default on 
these specific deep pages (the most obvious solution), no gesture is 
necessary. The back button would always be visible and would only 
require a single tap, it would be much more efficient than what any 
gesture could offer. In this scenario a gesture would only add 
complexity & novelty.

The risk isn't that gestures are accidentally discovered by old people, 
but rather that old people could exit a deep page using a simple & 
obvious and direct method, hence the toolbar visibility suggestion.

Could someone else with access to the current OS on a phone confirm that 
the back button is only ever shown on deep pages stack pages? The design 
spec seems to suggest that.

Thanks!



On 12/06/13 13:19, Josh Leverette wrote:
> What's wrong with the Pin to Exit gesture? It will not be accidentally 
> discovered by old people in all but the most unlikely scenarios, the 
> toolbar already provides a back option for them, and power users would 
> benefit from having a faster and perhaps more elegant way to go back. 
> It's quick and does not require any finger acrobatics, and does not 
> interfere with any existing gesture.
>
> Sincerely,
> Josh
>
> On Jun 12, 2013 7:06 AM, "Sam Bull" <sam.hacking@xxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:sam.hacking@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>     On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 10:11 +0100, Lou Greenwood wrote:
>     > I imagine that the page stack will be a very common view, having to
>     > swipe up and then stretch and tap, just to go back, could become
>     > fatiguing. Perhaps once I get my hands on a working set-up my
>     concerns
>     > will be unfounded.
>
>     Just an observation about the design, but it seems the design is to
>     avoid needing the back button most of the time. I don't find myself
>     using the back button very often because of this. For example, the
>     people lens expands the view when you select a contact, and has a
>     button
>     to collapse it again. Another example, in the phone app the header is
>     used to switch between different pages (phone, contacts and messages).
>
>     The design seems to be avoiding using a back button on the most
>     frequent
>     scenarios. I'd recommend trying out the phone first, and then see how
>     often you actually use the back button.
>
>     Also, I feel that the short swipe and tap to go back is easier and
>     faster than just about all the gesture suggestions so far.
>
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