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[Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>]

Long swipe up reveals the HUD, as far as I know.

Sincerely,
Josh
On Jun 13, 2013 4:34 PM, "Daniel Clem" <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Non-dev comment:
> Revealing controls on scroll up would work if you want it to be same for
> all apps, as not all apps scroll. Such as the FTP server app I use for my
> Droid. Or video games that need a.menu for settings and saving games, but
> no scrolling at all.
>
> My personal opinion is this menu should hide by default but leave a very
> visible shadow over the bottom of the screen (ontop the app all the time)
> done in such a way to hint that something in hidden there.
>
> The whole system here is based on short and long swipes. If the user
> doesn't know to short swipe up for the menu, then they most likely don't
> yet know any of the other swipe actions either. A tutorial to teach the
> first user is all that is needed, then that user would teach their
> friends/family that use it. That.is the only ways ANYone learns Android,
> WebOS or any new system.
>
> Sidenote on back button actions. Short swipe up shows the menu, what does
> a long swipe up do? Could a long swipe up be use for "Back” action? I use
> the back button ALLLLL the time in every app, including the apps someone
> else mentioned weren't common for back actions. As a user I bounce from one
> part of an app to another using "back” because few if any apps are designed
> in such a way that any feature or area can quickly be reached by any other
> part. So backing out to a common are is what's needed most the time even if
> its only one level deep.
>
> What do you all think?
> Thank you and God Bless,
> Clem
>
> Lou Greenwood <lougreenwood@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> My personal opinion is that it's possible to find a solution which works
>> for all situations, rather than creating fragmentation in the UI by letting
>> individual dev's make too many choices.
>>
>> 1. Use the developer’s toolkit
>>
>>
>> Here is our handy developer’s toolkit which contains all the essential
>> building blocks to
>>
>> help you get started! We use our building blocks to keep our apps
>> consistent, and so we
>>
>> don’t carry other platform’s UI elements or behaviours.
>>
>>
>> /\ http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/get-started/make-it-ubuntu
>>
>>
>> I've just uploaded a short clip of the Evernote app on iOS, the way it
>> handles the toolbar is beautifully intuitive and invisible.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX1xelZhkEU
>>
>>
>> Something like this Evernote example (default visible, hides on
>> scroll/interaction, reveals on scroll up), which is  _only_ implemented on
>> deep page stack pages would be my suggestion. As far as I can see from the
>> design spec, no other page types have this 'back' problem. See this link
>> for the various page types >
>> http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/global-patterns/navigation.
>>
>> Lou
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>> On 13 Jun 2013, at 18:18, Omar B. <estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Some apps don't have a problem with users going "back". For example the
>> *Friends* app shows both its Breadcrumbs and the bottom toolbar by default:
>>
>> http://youtu.be/Q566IGyVB0o?t=8m36s
>>
>> Apps should probably decide if they want to show these toolbars by
>> default (or when one goes deeper in the stack like others mentioned) if its
>> better for their users (and allow users to hide them if they want more
>> screen). I think this approach might be better than trying a "one fits all".
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:02:58 +0100
>> > From: mpt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > To: ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Design] Page stack back gesture
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>> > Scott May wrote on 12/06/13 12:33:
>> > >
>> > > Yeah I'm a "me too" on the concern that the "back" button is too
>> > > hidden given it's frequent use. Perhaps we won't need "back" so
>> > > much in this new environment?
>> >
>> > The System Settings design uses deep page stacks -- for example, five
>> > levels deep when setting a background picture.
>> > <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Appearance#Phone>
>> >
>> > Discoverability of "Back" is my biggest concern with System Settings
>> > right now. In a couple of cases I've specified that the toolbar should
>> > be visible all the time: for example, the screen for choosing an area
>> > of the background picture. But that's only because the toolbar
>> > contains other buttons on those particular screens.
>> >
>> > > In any case, with gestures we need to be very mindful of how apps
>> > > are going to operate. We don't want to offer a gesture that might
>> > > look anything like something you might do in reasonable use of some
>> > > app that doesn't exist on this platform yet. Think about about
>> > > what you do on the screen when say, using a map, drawing a picture,
>> > > moving a piece in a game etc, etc. I think gestures coming in from
>> > > the edge are fairly safe, but the main screen area is for the
>> > > app...
>> > >
>> > > ...
>> >
>> > A gesture might be more efficient than revealing the toolbar then
>> > tapping Back. But I doubt it would be more discoverable.
>> >
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