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[Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>]

Does it? It doesn't always. And an email is of equal importance to the main
list of threads because you could very well want to reference other emails
while composing a new one. I've had to save an email as a draft, return to
the main list of emails, and go back to my draft countless times on Android
because of the flawed assumption that there is a hierarchy of importance in
a place that it should not be.


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:02 AM, John Nelson <thatguruguy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Presumably, to the inbox, which is what happens now on my Android device.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Zisu Andrei <matzipan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> However, using a page stack, at least on the phone, makes the most sense
>>> in my opinion, because it conveys the hierarchy of the email layout well:
>>
>>
>> There is one major flaw I see straightaway and which has been raised many
>> times on this thread: you open an email from a notification, you tap the
>> back button, where do you go: inbox or back to the notifications?
>>
>> Zisu Andrei
>>
>>
>> On 25 June 2013 14:37, Michael Spencer <spencers1993@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>  On 06/24/2013 08:35 PM, Josh Leverette wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do you need a back button at all in the email app? I can actually
>>> think of a number of effective implementations that don't require a back
>>> button -- not even to return from viewing an email. However, if an app is
>>> making such extensive use of the back button, there's nothing stopping the
>>> developer from putting their own alternate implementation in.
>>>
>>>  One reasonable option which requires no tabs.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm no UI designer, so I was mostly just getting ideas from the Android
>>> Gmail app, which I like a lot. However, using a page stack, at least on the
>>> phone, makes the most sense in my opinion, because it conveys the hierarchy
>>> of the email layout well:
>>>
>>> account@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>     Inbox
>>>         Test Message
>>>         2nd Message
>>>     Drafts
>>>         Draft Message
>>>     Sent
>>>         ...
>>>
>>> Having a separate tab and using the flat navigation structure doesn't
>>> make sense. According to the design documentation, "The user moves between
>>> main views of functionality of equal importance." An list of emails and an
>>> email don't seem to be equal in importance.
>>>
>>> In the case of a tablet/desktop version, I would suggest doing something
>>> like the Ubuntu UI Toolkit Gallery app does, and have a side bar with a
>>> list of messages, and then a main content view.
>>>
>>>
>>>  The back button is a crutch in most designs, since there is usually an
>>> elegant way to avoid it. Sometimes, the back button is necessary, and
>>> that's what it is there for. If the back button is extremely pervasive
>>> inside of and necessary to an app, then a persistent toolbar (one that
>>> doesn't need to be swiped up) could be used while not at the top of the
>>> page stack.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why is it a crutch? According to the design documentation, a deep
>>> navigation structure should be used to convey a hierarchy, and is one of
>>> the three main navigation structures.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  *So can we please drop this subject?* Until the day that Ubuntu touch
>>> is overrun with back button UIs, the only thing this discussion is getting
>>> is old. *75 emails about a back button is just crazy.* Especially when
>>> the back button is not going to be used like the one in Android is.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've only been following the last couple emails, but I do think that
>>> since the page stack is one of the three main navigation structures, the
>>> location and implementation of a back action is quite important.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Spencer - ibeliever.github.io
>>>
>>> Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
>>> - Proverbs 3:5-6
>>>
>>>
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Sincerely,
    Josh