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[Daniel Clem <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you Zisu :-) Printing directions out does not give the exact times
and coordinates of your every move. With devices that come with 32GB of
storage now, not having on device maps is unacceptable.

With what has been going with Assange, Manning, and now Snowden, I very
much prefer not to assume we don't have to "worry about the cloud yet".
Because if ever information becomes available making it obvious that we
DO need to worry about "the cloud", then it would already be far to late
by then as the data collection would have been done for a long time
before that. Perhaps it is pointless to worry about it now, as more than
enough private info of me and others maybe has been obtained. But as a
analogy, when you learn a visitor who just left your home had a serious
disease that may have infected your children, do you not do all you can
to keep them clean so they may not get it, despite having learned so
late? The same goes for privacy and security of ourselves and family in
these matters.

A bit off topic of voice recognition. But a valid notion to consider I
think when designing how voice recognition should work, i.e. local
processing vs cloud processing.

God Bless

On 06/27/2013 12:27 PM, Zisu Andrei wrote:
>
>     a standalone GPS has no network connection, period. Smartphone GPS
>     apps use the connection to help you avoid traffic and the likes. 
>
>
> That's exactly what he said 
>
> Zisu Andrei
>
>
> On 27 June 2013 17:18, Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:coder543@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>     a standalone GPS has no network connection, period. Smartphone GPS
>     apps use the connection to help you avoid traffic and the likes.
>     Data itself is not inherently evil, and can be very useful.
>     Printing directions leaves them with as much information as using
>     a smartphone GPS. using a standalone Garmin or TomTom is the only
>     way to reasonably avoid handing that data over to "the cloud", but
>     I wouldn't concern yourself about the cloud too much yet.
>
>     Sincerely,
>     Josh
>
>     On Jun 27, 2013 8:27 AM, "Daniel Clem" <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:clem11388@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>         Non-dev comment.
>
>         I very very rarely ever use voice recognition, and never use
>         dictation. I only use it on rare occasion when I can't
>         remember how to spell a word, and my best guess has spell
>         check all confused. Plus with all the NSA and other privacy
>         issues coming up, I'm working harder than ever to keep and and
>         all unnecessary data out of "the cloud”.
>
>         These privacy issues are why a year and a half ago, I
>         completely stopped all usage of GPS navigation the requires
>         any kind of data connection. Printing directions is one thing,
>         but having a server track and direct you movements all the way
>         to your destination, is unacceptable in this day and age.
>
>         I would use voice recognition, dictation, ect on a Ubuntu
>         Touch device if I knew for sure all processing was done
>         locally, I.e. on the device itself. Same goes for GPS nav.
>
>         God Bless all your guy's/gal's work.
>
>         Pete Woods <pete.woods@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>         <mailto:pete.woods@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>             Hi All,
>
>             The current system uses the open source library
>             pocketsphinx (http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/) - I
>             believe this is the current "best" open source voice
>             recognition tool.
>
>             Unfortunately this library is not able to perform
>             dictation with an acceptable level of accuracy. I don't
>             know of any open source voice tools that are.
>
>             It is applicable to "command and control" situations, like
>             we use it for in HUD. It can work with either
>
>               * A language model. Built from a corpus of text, e.g.
>                 the Wall Street Journal. This basically gives it
>                 information the probabilities different words being
>                 together in speech. Theoretically this can be used to
>                 recognise more natural commands, but I found its
>                 accuracy to be very poor.
>               * A finite state grammar - this is what we use in HUD.
>                 Basically it's a simple state machine that defines the
>                 commands that we get from the various programs
>                 running. This has relatively high accuracy, but has
>                 the limitation of only recognising a fixed set of inputs.
>
>             It is worth noting that a considerable amount of effort
>             was expended training the acoustic model (the part that
>             actually identifies what phonemes the user is saying) that
>             is used currently. It was trained against the Voxforge
>             international english audio corpus (http://voxforge.org/).
>
>             Much of the academic work done in this area is funded by
>             the likes of Microsoft. In these situations a pretty
>             strict "closed licence" is usually applied. Unfortunately
>             what this means practically, is that the only way you'll
>             get dictation at the moment is with a closed-source tool...
>
>             I hope this information is useful!
>
>             Cheers,
>                 Pete
>
>
>             On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Zisu Andrei
>             <matzipan@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:matzipan@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>                 I wrote a little something for this
>                 occasion: http://zisuandrei.webmonsters.ro/design-in-open-source-unity-and-dash/ there
>                 are some sections called "HUD" and "Dash" and "HUD
>                 voice interaction". Some of my propositions are
>                 obsolete after 3 months from writing, some are
>                 outright stupid, but bear with my article:D
>
>                 I tried desperately to get on the unity-design mailing
>                 list but it seems there is no one in charge of
>                 approving those mailing list acceptance requests
>                 (https://launchpad.net/~unity-design/+members#proposed
>                 <https://launchpad.net/%7Eunity-design/+members#proposed> 44
>                 membership requests for over 3-4 months). If there is
>                 any Canonical employee that could help me with
>                 approving my membership for unity-design I would
>                 greatly appreciate it.
>
>                 Zisu Andrei
>
>
>                 On 27 June 2013 03:38, Josh Leverette
>                 <coder543@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:coder543@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>                     there seems to be a basic system for voice
>                     recognition, designed to control the currently
>                     open app based on a limited command vocabulary.
>                     I'm curious if there are any plans for a Siri-like
>                     assistant, maybe for the 14.04 release? and how
>                     accurate is the dictation software? is it good
>                     enough for straight text composition like Joseph
>                     was talking about? I know it's fully offline,
>                     which is a tremendous advantage and disadvantage
>                     over the competition.
>
>                     Sincerely,
>                     Josh
>
>                     On Jun 26, 2013 9:35 PM, "Joseph Bylund"
>                     <joseph.bylund@xxxxxxxxx
>                     <mailto:joseph.bylund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>                         Has there been any discussion of voice
>                         recognition, both to compose texts/emails and
>                         to perform actions, like "open the music
>                         player"? I find this feature quite useful on
>                         my current phone.
>
>                         -Joe
>
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