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[Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>]

But, I think you're both missing my point. The fact that you have a cell
phone means that your every move *is able to be tracked*. The cell towers
can triangulate your every move as long as you are connected to the cell
network, if the cell company wants to do so or is told to do so. If you
consider driving to visit relatives or going on vacation to be a
clandestine operation that should not be tracked, then you had best leave
your cell phone turned off for the entire trip. My point was that a GPS
that is internet connected is using the data *for good,* not for evil. In
fact, cell phone companies *implicitly* know where you are because they
have to know where to send the calls geographically. You should read
this<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking>,
unless you enjoy your false sense of data security.

I agree that I would like all dictation to be offline (and excellent, of
course), but the only reason I care about that is raw performance. Shipping
data to and from the cloud takes time, and I'd rather my dictation happen
as quickly as possible and happen consistently regardless of how flaky my
data connection is.


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Daniel Clem <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Thank you Zisu :-) Printing directions out does not give the exact times
> and coordinates of your every move. With devices that come with 32GB of
> storage now, not having on device maps is unacceptable.
>
> With what has been going with Assange, Manning, and now Snowden, I very
> much prefer not to assume we don't have to "worry about the cloud yet".
> Because if ever information becomes available making it obvious that we DO
> need to worry about "the cloud", then it would already be far to late by
> then as the data collection would have been done for a long time before
> that. Perhaps it is pointless to worry about it now, as more than enough
> private info of me and others maybe has been obtained. But as a analogy,
> when you learn a visitor who just left your home had a serious disease that
> may have infected your children, do you not do all you can to keep them
> clean so they may not get it, despite having learned so late? The same goes
> for privacy and security of ourselves and family in these matters.
>
> A bit off topic of voice recognition. But a valid notion to consider I
> think when designing how voice recognition should work, i.e. local
> processing vs cloud processing.
>
> God Bless
>
>
> On 06/27/2013 12:27 PM, Zisu Andrei wrote:
>
>  a standalone GPS has no network connection, period. Smartphone GPS apps
>> use the connection to help you avoid traffic and the likes.
>
>
>  That's exactly what he said
>
>  Zisu Andrei
>
>
> On 27 June 2013 17:18, Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> a standalone GPS has no network connection, period. Smartphone GPS apps
>> use the connection to help you avoid traffic and the likes. Data itself is
>> not inherently evil, and can be very useful. Printing directions leaves
>> them with as much information as using a smartphone GPS. using a standalone
>> Garmin or TomTom is the only way to reasonably avoid handing that data over
>> to "the cloud", but I wouldn't concern yourself about the cloud too much
>> yet.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Josh
>>  On Jun 27, 2013 8:27 AM, "Daniel Clem" <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>  Non-dev comment.
>>>
>>> I very very rarely ever use voice recognition, and never use dictation.
>>> I only use it on rare occasion when I can't remember how to spell a word,
>>> and my best guess has spell check all confused. Plus with all the NSA and
>>> other privacy issues coming up, I'm working harder than ever to keep and
>>> and all unnecessary data out of "the cloud”.
>>>
>>> These privacy issues are why a year and a half ago, I completely stopped
>>> all usage of GPS navigation the requires any kind of data connection.
>>> Printing directions is one thing, but having a server track and direct you
>>> movements all the way to your destination, is unacceptable in this day and
>>> age.
>>>
>>> I would use voice recognition, dictation, ect on a Ubuntu Touch device
>>> if I knew for sure all processing was done locally, I.e. on the device
>>> itself. Same goes for GPS nav.
>>>
>>> God Bless all your guy's/gal's work.
>>>
>>> Pete Woods <pete.woods@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>  The current system uses the open source library pocketsphinx (
>>>> http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/) - I believe this is the current
>>>> "best" open source voice recognition tool.
>>>>
>>>>  Unfortunately this library is not able to perform dictation with an
>>>> acceptable level of accuracy. I don't know of any open source voice tools
>>>> that are.
>>>>
>>>>  It is applicable to "command and control" situations, like we use it
>>>> for in HUD. It can work with either
>>>>
>>>>    - A language model. Built from a corpus of text, e.g. the Wall
>>>>    Street Journal. This basically gives it information the probabilities
>>>>    different words being together in speech. Theoretically this can be used to
>>>>    recognise more natural commands, but I found its accuracy to be very poor.
>>>>     - A finite state grammar - this is what we use in HUD. Basically
>>>>    it's a simple state machine that defines the commands that we get from the
>>>>    various programs running. This has relatively high accuracy, but has the
>>>>    limitation of only recognising a fixed set of inputs.
>>>>
>>>> It is worth noting that a considerable amount of effort was expended
>>>> training the acoustic model (the part that actually identifies what
>>>> phonemes the user is saying) that is used currently. It was trained against
>>>> the Voxforge international english audio corpus (http://voxforge.org/).
>>>>
>>>>  Much of the academic work done in this area is funded by the likes of
>>>> Microsoft. In these situations a pretty strict "closed licence" is usually
>>>> applied. Unfortunately what this means practically, is that the only way
>>>> you'll get dictation at the moment is with a closed-source tool...
>>>>
>>>>  I hope this information is useful!
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>     Pete
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Zisu Andrei <matzipan@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wrote a little something for this occasion:
>>>>> http://zisuandrei.webmonsters.ro/design-in-open-source-unity-and-dash/ there
>>>>> are some sections called "HUD" and "Dash" and "HUD voice interaction". Some
>>>>> of my propositions are obsolete after 3 months from writing, some are
>>>>> outright stupid, but bear with my article:D
>>>>>
>>>>>  I tried desperately to get on the unity-design mailing list but it
>>>>> seems there is no one in charge of approving those mailing list acceptance
>>>>> requests (https://launchpad.net/~unity-design/+members#proposed<https://launchpad.net/%7Eunity-design/+members#proposed> 44
>>>>> membership requests for over 3-4 months). If there is any Canonical
>>>>> employee that could help me with approving my membership for unity-design I
>>>>> would greatly appreciate it.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Zisu Andrei
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27 June 2013 03:38, Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> there seems to be a basic system for voice recognition, designed to
>>>>>> control the currently open app based on a limited command vocabulary. I'm
>>>>>> curious if there are any plans for a Siri-like assistant, maybe for the
>>>>>> 14.04 release? and how accurate is the dictation software? is it good
>>>>>> enough for straight text composition like Joseph was talking about? I know
>>>>>> it's fully offline, which is a tremendous advantage and disadvantage over
>>>>>> the competition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>  On Jun 26, 2013 9:35 PM, "Joseph Bylund" <joseph.bylund@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has there been any discussion of voice recognition, both to compose
>>>>>>> texts/emails and to perform actions, like "open the music player"? I find
>>>>>>> this feature quite useful on my current phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Joe
>>>>>>>
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-- 
Sincerely,
    Josh