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[Jonathan Meek <shrouded.cloud@xxxxxxxxx>]

I work a retail electronics job and having the data switched off by default
is not a good thing to do. We sell Huawei pre-paid Android devices and they
have switch off data by default and *anecdotally* we get a lot of customers
coming in asking why their internet doesn't work on the phone. I then have
to show them to pull down the notifications shade and hit the data switch.

Now, that is anecdotal, but that's JUST the people *I* encounter out of
those that come back *to the store* for help. How many call in the carrier
and complain about this "feature"?


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Mark Guthrie <mguthriejr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> We could do something similar to android where the first boot you are
> asked to setup WiFi connection but if the user selects no ask if the user
> would like to turn on mobile data.
> On Jul 11, 2013 2:53 PM, "Josh Leverette" <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't look professional for it to *not* connect. The only solution
>> to this discussion that seems reasonable to me is to have the 1st boot
>> screen provide a two button UI where you can select to turn on mobile data
>> or to continue with it remaining turned off.
>>
>> My experience is that the default behavior on all smartphone OSes is to
>> have the mobile data turned on by default, unless it is a custom version of
>> Android that does the opposite. We could start with mobile data turned off,
>> but the very first thing we must do is to establish whether the user wants
>> to connect to data or not.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Benoît Legat <benoit.legat@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>>  I agree with Cyrille, in some case you don't even have free 3G but you
>>> can still use it, it is just so expensive.
>>> So if you phone starts the first time with 3G on, when you will be asked
>>> to set you calendars, emails and so on, it will synchronise on the 3G.
>>> At the beginning, it will be a complete new experience to user so they
>>> will first don't realise that 3G is on (or even know what 3G is).
>>> It will be easy to access from Network Manager anyway.
>>>
>>> I know a friend who tested Cyanogenmod which had 3G on on first start
>>> and he had the issue I just explained.
>>> He said that it's something that makes it not look professional and I
>>> agree that it is not a good idea.
>>>
>>> On 07/11/2013 06:02 PM, Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't agree with that. I'm always connected. How does Network Manager
>>> know the Roaming is active?
>>> People expected it but don't what it cost. And at the end of the month
>>> they are surprise that they reached the limit or that their speed became
>>> slow. People know how to activate 3G.
>>> Am 11.07.2013 17:50 schrieb "Rasmus Eneman" <Rasmus@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>
>>>>   If it didn't connect automatically a lot of people would complain
>>>> that mobile data isn't working.
>>>> We live in a connected world and most people expect to be connected by
>>>> default.
>>>>  It should connect by default but be easily disconnectable however
>>>> roaming should
>>>>  be disabled by default as that may be very expensive.
>>>>  Data should also be easily to disable in the network indicator.
>>>>  I haven't tried the version Bill mentions but I expect that is what
>>>> I'm thinking about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/7/11 Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga <cyrildz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>> I will say I hate this behavior on Android I boot up the phone and it
>>>>> automatically connects with 3G...
>>>>> By default Ubuntu should not connect the 3G data
>>>>> Am 11.07.2013 13:17 schrieb "Michael Zanetti" <
>>>>> michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Ok... glad you guys mentioned it... Would have been a big surprise on
>>>>>> my trip
>>>>>> to Spain tomorrow if the device establishes a data connection without
>>>>>> me even
>>>>>> knowing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any hint how to disable the autoconnect feature and revert back to
>>>>>> manual
>>>>>> conections?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday 10 July 2013 09:09:19 Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote:
>>>>>> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Jono Bacon <jono@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Michael Zanetti <
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> > >> Hi Sergio,
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> On Tuesday 09 July 2013 12:51:37 Sergio Schvezov wrote:
>>>>>> > >> > - Network Manager now automatically enables the data
>>>>>> connection.
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >> Uh... That sounds scary. At least for people without a data
>>>>>> flatrate.
>>>>>> > >> Afaik
>>>>>> > >> there is no 3G indicator yet. How do I know if current traffic
>>>>>> is routed
>>>>>> > >> through
>>>>>> > >> WiFi or 3G data?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > When you're connected to Wifi, you're using Wifi. The routing
>>>>>> priority is
>>>>>> > made so that wifi is always preferred since it's "free".
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Otherwise you may be connected to 3G and in that case, you'll use
>>>>>> 3G.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > Agreed, might be best not to switch on by default until at least
>>>>>> there is
>>>>>> > > a switch.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Can anyone provide an update on when the switch is likely to land?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > There is a code branch with updates to the indicator to
>>>>>> enable/disable wifi
>>>>>> > and mobile data. I expect it would be landing soon.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > However, you can already control the behavior of NetworkManager via
>>>>>> nmcli,
>>>>>> > for instance:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > nmcli dev disconnect iface /ril_0      # disconnect the modem
>>>>>> interface
>>>>>> > (get offline)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > nmcli con up id <connection>          # connect to the data network
>>>>>> (you
>>>>>> > need to provide the name of the connection[1]
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > [1] The name of the connection to bring up is a /, followed by a
>>>>>> set of
>>>>>> > numbers (your IMEI), followed by a / and "contextX" which is a value
>>>>>> > specific to connections available from your provider. The list can
>>>>>> be seen
>>>>>> > via the command:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > nmcli con
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu-tl@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> > Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu.tl@xxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>     Josh
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