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[Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga <cyrildz@xxxxxxxxx>]

We should not do thing just because it looks  " professional"... We should
care for the user.  It is not a big issue for people who have 1-5 GB Data
limit on their plan but for the people who are below 1GB it is already a
big deal. Ubuntu should not be doing because the other are doing the same
thing.
I'm for these settings:
At the first start : let the user choose to use WiFi or Data (asking if we
have a flatrate  )

If the user choose to deactivate the 3G data, then at reboot Ubuntu
shouldn't automatically get connected over 3G.

If the user is not connected (no WiFi , no 3G) and tries to open a web
browser, then Ubuntu should propose to activate a connection and it should
be up to the user to interrupt the connection at any time.
 Am 11.07.2013 21:53 schrieb "Josh Leverette" <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>:

> It doesn't look professional for it to *not* connect. The only solution
> to this discussion that seems reasonable to me is to have the 1st boot
> screen provide a two button UI where you can select to turn on mobile data
> or to continue with it remaining turned off.
>
> My experience is that the default behavior on all smartphone OSes is to
> have the mobile data turned on by default, unless it is a custom version of
> Android that does the opposite. We could start with mobile data turned off,
> but the very first thing we must do is to establish whether the user wants
> to connect to data or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Benoît Legat <benoit.legat@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>>  I agree with Cyrille, in some case you don't even have free 3G but you
>> can still use it, it is just so expensive.
>> So if you phone starts the first time with 3G on, when you will be asked
>> to set you calendars, emails and so on, it will synchronise on the 3G.
>> At the beginning, it will be a complete new experience to user so they
>> will first don't realise that 3G is on (or even know what 3G is).
>> It will be easy to access from Network Manager anyway.
>>
>> I know a friend who tested Cyanogenmod which had 3G on on first start and
>> he had the issue I just explained.
>> He said that it's something that makes it not look professional and I
>> agree that it is not a good idea.
>>
>> On 07/11/2013 06:02 PM, Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga wrote:
>>
>> I don't agree with that. I'm always connected. How does Network Manager
>> know the Roaming is active?
>> People expected it but don't what it cost. And at the end of the month
>> they are surprise that they reached the limit or that their speed became
>> slow. People know how to activate 3G.
>> Am 11.07.2013 17:50 schrieb "Rasmus Eneman" <Rasmus@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>>>   If it didn't connect automatically a lot of people would complain
>>> that mobile data isn't working.
>>> We live in a connected world and most people expect to be connected by
>>> default.
>>>  It should connect by default but be easily disconnectable however
>>> roaming should
>>>  be disabled by default as that may be very expensive.
>>>  Data should also be easily to disable in the network indicator.
>>>  I haven't tried the version Bill mentions but I expect that is what I'm
>>> thinking about.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/7/11 Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga <cyrildz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> I will say I hate this behavior on Android I boot up the phone and it
>>>> automatically connects with 3G...
>>>> By default Ubuntu should not connect the 3G data
>>>> Am 11.07.2013 13:17 schrieb "Michael Zanetti" <
>>>> michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>
>>>>  Ok... glad you guys mentioned it... Would have been a big surprise on
>>>>> my trip
>>>>> to Spain tomorrow if the device establishes a data connection without
>>>>> me even
>>>>> knowing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any hint how to disable the autoconnect feature and revert back to
>>>>> manual
>>>>> conections?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday 10 July 2013 09:09:19 Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote:
>>>>> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Jono Bacon <jono@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Michael Zanetti <
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> > >> Hi Sergio,
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> On Tuesday 09 July 2013 12:51:37 Sergio Schvezov wrote:
>>>>> > >> > - Network Manager now automatically enables the data connection.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Uh... That sounds scary. At least for people without a data
>>>>> flatrate.
>>>>> > >> Afaik
>>>>> > >> there is no 3G indicator yet. How do I know if current traffic is
>>>>> routed
>>>>> > >> through
>>>>> > >> WiFi or 3G data?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > When you're connected to Wifi, you're using Wifi. The routing
>>>>> priority is
>>>>> > made so that wifi is always preferred since it's "free".
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Otherwise you may be connected to 3G and in that case, you'll use 3G.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Agreed, might be best not to switch on by default until at least
>>>>> there is
>>>>> > > a switch.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Can anyone provide an update on when the switch is likely to land?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There is a code branch with updates to the indicator to
>>>>> enable/disable wifi
>>>>> > and mobile data. I expect it would be landing soon.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > However, you can already control the behavior of NetworkManager via
>>>>> nmcli,
>>>>> > for instance:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > nmcli dev disconnect iface /ril_0      # disconnect the modem
>>>>> interface
>>>>> > (get offline)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > nmcli con up id <connection>          # connect to the data network
>>>>> (you
>>>>> > need to provide the name of the connection[1]
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > [1] The name of the connection to bring up is a /, followed by a set
>>>>> of
>>>>> > numbers (your IMEI), followed by a / and "contextX" which is a value
>>>>> > specific to connections available from your provider. The list can
>>>>> be seen
>>>>> > via the command:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > nmcli con
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu-tl@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> > Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu.tl@xxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>
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