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[Peter Dey <ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Why not do something similar to what the Nokia N9 does? 

When a 3G connection its detected for the first time (e.g. new SIM inserted), 
ask the user whether they would like to connect automatically. If they say No, 
then when a data connection is needed, and no WiFi access points are saved, ask 
them if they'd like to connect to 3G (and even scan for new APs, in case they 
would like to e.g. use the WiFi at the cafe they're in). 

If they said yes, then fallback to 3G whenever there is no saved access points. 

Both cost conscious, and user friendly. 

Cheers, 
Peter


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 02:51:52PM -0500, Josh Leverette wrote:
> It doesn't look professional for it to *not* connect. The only solution to
> this discussion that seems reasonable to me is to have the 1st boot screen
> provide a two button UI where you can select to turn on mobile data or to
> continue with it remaining turned off.
> 
> My experience is that the default behavior on all smartphone OSes is to
> have the mobile data turned on by default, unless it is a custom version of
> Android that does the opposite. We could start with mobile data turned off,
> but the very first thing we must do is to establish whether the user wants
> to connect to data or not.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Benoît Legat <benoit.legat@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> 
> >  I agree with Cyrille, in some case you don't even have free 3G but you
> > can still use it, it is just so expensive.
> > So if you phone starts the first time with 3G on, when you will be asked
> > to set you calendars, emails and so on, it will synchronise on the 3G.
> > At the beginning, it will be a complete new experience to user so they
> > will first don't realise that 3G is on (or even know what 3G is).
> > It will be easy to access from Network Manager anyway.
> >
> > I know a friend who tested Cyanogenmod which had 3G on on first start and
> > he had the issue I just explained.
> > He said that it's something that makes it not look professional and I
> > agree that it is not a good idea.
> >
> > On 07/11/2013 06:02 PM, Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga wrote:
> >
> > I don't agree with that. I'm always connected. How does Network Manager
> > know the Roaming is active?
> > People expected it but don't what it cost. And at the end of the month
> > they are surprise that they reached the limit or that their speed became
> > slow. People know how to activate 3G.
> > Am 11.07.2013 17:50 schrieb "Rasmus Eneman" <Rasmus@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> >>   If it didn't connect automatically a lot of people would complain that
> >> mobile data isn't working.
> >> We live in a connected world and most people expect to be connected by
> >> default.
> >>  It should connect by default but be easily disconnectable however
> >> roaming should
> >>  be disabled by default as that may be very expensive.
> >>  Data should also be easily to disable in the network indicator.
> >>  I haven't tried the version Bill mentions but I expect that is what I'm
> >> thinking about.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/7/11 Cyrille Ngassam Nkwenga <cyrildz@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>> I will say I hate this behavior on Android I boot up the phone and it
> >>> automatically connects with 3G...
> >>> By default Ubuntu should not connect the 3G data
> >>> Am 11.07.2013 13:17 schrieb "Michael Zanetti" <
> >>> michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >>>
> >>>  Ok... glad you guys mentioned it... Would have been a big surprise on
> >>>> my trip
> >>>> to Spain tomorrow if the device establishes a data connection without
> >>>> me even
> >>>> knowing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any hint how to disable the autoconnect feature and revert back to
> >>>> manual
> >>>> conections?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday 10 July 2013 09:09:19 Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote:
> >>>> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Jono Bacon <jono@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Michael Zanetti <
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> > >> Hi Sergio,
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> On Tuesday 09 July 2013 12:51:37 Sergio Schvezov wrote:
> >>>> > >> > - Network Manager now automatically enables the data connection.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Uh... That sounds scary. At least for people without a data
> >>>> flatrate.
> >>>> > >> Afaik
> >>>> > >> there is no 3G indicator yet. How do I know if current traffic is
> >>>> routed
> >>>> > >> through
> >>>> > >> WiFi or 3G data?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > When you're connected to Wifi, you're using Wifi. The routing
> >>>> priority is
> >>>> > made so that wifi is always preferred since it's "free".
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Otherwise you may be connected to 3G and in that case, you'll use 3G.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > Agreed, might be best not to switch on by default until at least
> >>>> there is
> >>>> > > a switch.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Can anyone provide an update on when the switch is likely to land?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > There is a code branch with updates to the indicator to
> >>>> enable/disable wifi
> >>>> > and mobile data. I expect it would be landing soon.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > However, you can already control the behavior of NetworkManager via
> >>>> nmcli,
> >>>> > for instance:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > nmcli dev disconnect iface /ril_0      # disconnect the modem
> >>>> interface
> >>>> > (get offline)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > nmcli con up id <connection>          # connect to the data network
> >>>> (you
> >>>> > need to provide the name of the connection[1]
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > [1] The name of the connection to bring up is a /, followed by a set
> >>>> of
> >>>> > numbers (your IMEI), followed by a / and "contextX" which is a value
> >>>> > specific to connections available from your provider. The list can be
> >>>> seen
> >>>> > via the command:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > nmcli con
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Regards,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu-tl@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> > Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu.tl@xxxxxxxxx
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> >>>>
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> >>
> >
> >
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>     Josh

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