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[Marius Kotsbak <marius@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

They have given up individual SMS charging in Norway too. Also the content
could be en compressed inside the encryption so that it might not require
so many SMS-es.
Den 17. juli 2013 21:08 skrev "Gianguido Sorà" <gianguidorama@xxxxxxxxx>
følgende:

> Exactly, in the USA there are unlimited SMS but in other countries there
> aren't.
> In Italy for example if an operator give 200/month is a great deal.
> I think that the XMPP approach is more useful, because (almost) free 3G/4G
> data access is more reliable and easy to use.
> Il giorno 17/lug/2013 20:57, "Josh Leverette" <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> ha
> scritto:
>
>> I didn't say linking. Just breaking it up and sending them out. It's the
>> user's choice. Encrypting it won't make it take up more space necessarily.
>> If the user wants to send that many messages, they can. In a number of
>> countries, SMS is unlimited. Here in the United States, all of the
>> companies essentially gave up on charging for each message. It really is
>> absolutely free for the cell company, and once one of them started offering
>> unlimited SMS, none of the others could do any less and be competitive.
>> Doing an XMPP system would work too, but that requires having a data
>> connection, which should always be more expensive than SMS, realistically.
>> I'm fine with it being XMPP, but the advantage of using SMS is that it
>> works even when you barely have any signal, and SMS is dirt cheap compared
>> to data, at least here in the United States. I can't speak about the rest
>> of the world, but SMS as a technology is infinitely cheaper. Whether the
>> company chooses to charge appropriately, that's up to them.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Rasmus Eneman <Rasmus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Linking SMS cost money, you have to pay for every SMS. Also I'm pretty
>>> sure you only can link up to 4 SMSes.
>>> However an XMPP based service would still be better as key exchange may
>>> happen automagically. You have
>>> already broken the standard so why continue to use it when you only gets
>>> its limitations?
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/7/17 Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Also, I don't see why encrypting SMS would be impossible. You don't
>>>> send encrypted SMS to people who can't decrypt them. Since we're talking
>>>> about asymmetric encryption anyways, then the only people *you could
>>>> even think* *of* sending encrypted SMS to are people for whom you have
>>>> a public key. If you don't have a public key for a contact, then obviously
>>>> you have no method of encrypting a message to them. But, more importantly,
>>>> you can always break up an SMS into multiple SMS as the need arises, so
>>>> length isn't an issue as long as the user knows how many messages it will
>>>> form.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Mike Bybee <mike.bybee@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, SMS obviously can't do GPG due to character limits - however,
>>>>> there are dozens of varieties of secure SMS tools currently on Android. It
>>>>> seems that some variety encryption could be supported by the default client
>>>>> - much like OTR for Pidgin, etc.
>>>>> Not that it should default to it - that would be awful. But that it
>>>>> should be able to have an easy to enable option.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a lot of people world wide mad about security right now - and
>>>>> if Ubuntu Touch can eventually ship with a good basic set of security
>>>>> options, it will appeal to people who otherwise might have no reason to use
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Rasmus Eneman <Rasmus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't have GPG on SMS as it can't handle that amount of
>>>>>> characters. Also it would be stupid
>>>>>> as no one can't receive GPG/PGP SMS. If this feature is realy wanted
>>>>>> on Ubuntu to Ubuntu
>>>>>> then implementing something like iMessage or Hangouts should be done
>>>>>> using XMPP and bound
>>>>>> to the Ubuntu One account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/7/17 Mike Bybee <mike.bybee@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks. I think with PRISM and it's various world-wide equivalents,
>>>>>>> we're all thinking about this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm still waiting on the actual native email client to be written.
>>>>>>>> Once that happens, adding encryption should be relatively trivial. So,
>>>>>>>> whenever that happens.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mike Bybee <mike.bybee@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Are there currently any plans to make sure the ubuntu mail app
>>>>>>>>> will support gpg or some other standard - and likewise for SMS?
>>>>>>>>> I know right now it just uses webmail, but I'm sure that's not the
>>>>>>>>> long term goal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Mike Bybee
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>     Josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Mike Bybee
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Rasmus Eneman
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Mike Bybee
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>     Josh
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rasmus Eneman
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>>     Josh
>>
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