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[Daniel Clem <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx>]

i knew they were bad, but didn't know they were bad. 

AT&T's and other GSM carriers maps does show our house as having medium signal but my Sister on T mobile can barely make a call without dropping it. I would like to find someone with AT&T to test it. But I don't know of any.

Plus I am "grandfathered into unlimited data” and I tether quite a bit. So Any other carrier has to have unlimited at a decent price. Say less than 80 a month for data.

I have barely made it out of contract with this Motor Droid 2 (3rd replacement) , hence why I and searching hard for a solid device. I can make a case for the Edge no big deal.

Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Hmm. Ok. I use Verizon too, but I would switch to Straight Talk (uses
>AT&T's network) for this phone. Here's why this phone cannot possibly
>come
>to Verizon.
>
>With CDMA networks, the carrier has complete control over every phone
>that
>tries to connect to the network. They check the device ID and decide
>whether it is authorized to connect, then they compare the device ID to
>the
>service plan you've selected and decide whether your service plan
>allows
>that phone to be used. They claim that this is all for "quality
>control",
>and that's the reasoning they'll stick to. The reality for end users is
>that any phone they want to use on that network has to go through
>months of
>*very *expensive testing in the carrier's own labs and field personnel.
>With a GSM network like Straight Talk, you pop your SIM card in and go.
>Canonical would have to ship several Ubuntu Edge phones to Verizon, and
>then Verizon would have to eventually decide that they approve it. But
>wait, what if someone uses Sprint? or one of Japan's CDMA networks?
>They
>have to send handsets to each of these to each one to approve the phone
>for
>their network. So, for a 40,000 phone production run, they've just sent
>off
>between 10 and 100 of the devices to carriers *just for the chance* of
>being accepted. Oh, and since we're now making CDMA and GSM phones, the
>production costs are significantly higher now that we're no longer
>producing 40,000 of one design. We're now making 35,000 of one and
>*only
>5,000* of the other. A 5,000 device run would not be affordable.
>
>As you said, what if we made it a GSM/CDMA combo phone? well, that
>means
>that the majority of your customers now pay for a CDMA antenna that
>they're
>never going to use. But, it also wouldn't be pioneering anything. The
>Motorola Razr M is a CDMA/GSM combo device with 4G LTE. You still
>wouldn't
>be able to jump to any carrier you can imagine, because of how
>restrictive
>CDMA networks are.
>
>Furthermore, Verizon (and any other CDMA carrier) would want *full*
>control
>of the phone. This is how they screwed the Galaxy Nexus for Verizon
>(the
>phone I currently have). My GNex is months behind the GSM GNex phones
>in
>terms of updates, because Verizon took over that, which went against
>everything Google and Verizon agreed to. Verizon also installed
>bloatware
>on the CDMA GNex. They made a pure phone like a Nexus device into a
>very
>dirty device. Canonical would have to give up everything that is noble
>about this campaign to get Verizon to let those phones to connect to
>their
>network.
>
>It cannot happen, and it will not happen. Verizon has great
>infrastructure,
>but their customer experience has been very unsatisfactory for me.
>
>Do no GSM carriers service your area? AT&T has really redoubled their
>infrastructure efforts over the last couple of years, from what I've
>seen.
>
>
>On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Daniel Clem <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>
>> Agreed. And here in USA the "Modern American Mentality” has taken
>over and
>> people don't realized that high quality products come at a price.
>They are
>> used to 2 year contracts that get them "latest hardware” at 200 to
>300. But
>> this device being 3 times the power and quality, but not 3 times the
>price
>> goes over Kant's heads.
>>
>> I am very low income, but I can save up $830 in 3 to 4 weeks. But
>again, I
>> NEED Verizon because I, as many others also, live in a rural area.
>> Eventually we will have LTE, but not for 2 to 4 years.
>>
>> Since these won't be manufactured till months after the fund ends.
>> Requesting 1 or 2 thousand CDMA should be that hard. Or since this is
>> flagged as a "Open Device ” why not pioneer the first LTE capable
>Combo
>> phone? CDMA+GSM. Only using the one you need. So later if you wish
>you can
>> jump to any carrier you can imagine. Making it Truly Open.
>>
>> Just some thoughts. God Bless
>>
>> Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Stores and resellers were not purchasing from indiegogo yesterday.
>There
>>> might have been one or two, but that's simply not what happened.
>This whole
>>> campaign is all about individuals buying these phones. I don't want
>to see
>>> this campaign fail anymore than you do. People will either buy them
>at
>>> $830, or they won't.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Omar B. <estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>>>
>>>> >So implementing possibilities to "buy" a smartphone with less
>specs isn't
>>>> compatible with the goal of this campaign.
>>>>
>>>> A little less specs Not being compatible is your opinion.
>>>>
>>>> The only fact I see is that they set a goal and would much prefer
>for it to be be reached. Am sure they have months or years planning it
>and waiting for the right moment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not so positive if the campaign gets stuck at like 10 or 13
>million, there's not much impact about that.
>>>>
>>>> Even with less specs the phone will be a top tier phone. But what
>really makes the phone is not the hardware, but the software
>combination and possibilities. So it will still do things that many
>others wont. Getting ubuntu to more users and developers hands has
>always been a primary goal.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway many resellers got into the 600 promo, but that is over.
>There's no deal or perk for them anymore, so they left. For Stores and
>resellers, 40k limited time phones is not that much if you got them,
>but they don't want to pay full price, because they need to make some
>returns, so they need now perks that give them discounts for a higher
>quantity purchase.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>     Josh
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>
>
>-- 
>Sincerely,
>    Josh