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[Daniel Clem <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx>]

Well I've been out of contract for more than 1 and a half years, took 3 warranty replacements and a new battery though. 

So far this month I've used more than 4.5 gigs. I tether to my computer a lot, and if this is going to serve partially in the PC realm I know I will use at least they much. If it replaces my PC then I will cancel Comcast completely and save $60, and use that much more data. 

5 gig would be the minimum and that also includes I need to be able to WiFi tether for my Families occasional uses.

What plans does AT&T have? Bill right now is 150, but that has 15 extra for free calling to Mexico and free voice useage inside Mexico.

Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/verizon-unlimited-data-plans_n_1521967.html
>
>It doesn't matter that you're grandfathered. You won't have unlimited
>by
>the time your next contract rolls around, from what I understand.
>However,
>I am curious. How much data do you use each month, exactly? I have 4GB
>per
>month and barely use 2GB of that.
>
>
>On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Daniel Clem <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>
>> i knew they were bad, but didn't know they were bad.
>>
>> AT&T's and other GSM carriers maps does show our house as having
>medium
>> signal but my Sister on T mobile can barely make a call without
>dropping
>> it. I would like to find someone with AT&T to test it. But I don't
>know of
>> any.
>>
>> Plus I am "grandfathered into unlimited data” and I tether quite a
>bit. So
>> Any other carrier has to have unlimited at a decent price. Say less
>than 80
>> a month for data.
>>
>> I have barely made it out of contract with this Motor Droid 2 (3rd
>> replacement) , hence why I and searching hard for a solid device. I
>can
>> make a case for the Edge no big deal.
>>
>>
>> Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm. Ok. I use Verizon too, but I would switch to Straight Talk
>(uses
>>> AT&T's network) for this phone. Here's why this phone cannot
>possibly come
>>> to Verizon.
>>>
>>> With CDMA networks, the carrier has complete control over every
>phone
>>> that tries to connect to the network. They check the device ID and
>decide
>>> whether it is authorized to connect, then they compare the device ID
>to the
>>> service plan you've selected and decide whether your service plan
>allows
>>> that phone to be used. They claim that this is all for "quality
>control",
>>> and that's the reasoning they'll stick to. The reality for end users
>is
>>> that any phone they want to use on that network has to go through
>months of
>>> *very *expensive testing in the carrier's own labs and field
>personnel.
>>> With a GSM network like Straight Talk, you pop your SIM card in and
>go.
>>> Canonical would have to ship several Ubuntu Edge phones to Verizon,
>and
>>> then Verizon would have to eventually decide that they approve it.
>But
>>> wait, what if someone uses Sprint? or one of Japan's CDMA networks?
>They
>>> have to send handsets to each of these to each one to approve the
>phone for
>>> their network. So, for a 40,000 phone production run, they've just
>sent off
>>> between 10 and 100 of the devices to carriers *just for the chance*
>of
>>> being accepted. Oh, and since we're now making CDMA and GSM phones,
>the
>>> production costs are significantly higher now that we're no longer
>>> producing 40,000 of one design. We're now making 35,000 of one and
>*only
>>> 5,000* of the other. A 5,000 device run would not be affordable.
>>>
>>> As you said, what if we made it a GSM/CDMA combo phone? well, that
>means
>>> that the majority of your customers now pay for a CDMA antenna that
>they're
>>> never going to use. But, it also wouldn't be pioneering anything.
>The
>>> Motorola Razr M is a CDMA/GSM combo device with 4G LTE. You still
>wouldn't
>>> be able to jump to any carrier you can imagine, because of how
>restrictive
>>> CDMA networks are.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, Verizon (and any other CDMA carrier) would want *full*
>control
>>> of the phone. This is how they screwed the Galaxy Nexus for Verizon
>(the
>>> phone I currently have). My GNex is months behind the GSM GNex
>phones in
>>> terms of updates, because Verizon took over that, which went against
>>> everything Google and Verizon agreed to. Verizon also installed
>bloatware
>>> on the CDMA GNex. They made a pure phone like a Nexus device into a
>very
>>> dirty device. Canonical would have to give up everything that is
>noble
>>> about this campaign to get Verizon to let those phones to connect to
>their
>>> network.
>>>
>>> It cannot happen, and it will not happen. Verizon has great
>>> infrastructure, but their customer experience has been very
>unsatisfactory
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> Do no GSM carriers service your area? AT&T has really redoubled
>their
>>> infrastructure efforts over the last couple of years, from what I've
>seen.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Daniel Clem <clem11388@xxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agreed. And here in USA the "Modern American Mentality” has taken
>over
>>>> and people don't realized that high quality products come at a
>price. They
>>>> are used to 2 year contracts that get them "latest hardware” at 200
>to 300.
>>>> But this device being 3 times the power and quality, but not 3
>times the
>>>> price goes over Kant's heads.
>>>>
>>>> I am very low income, but I can save up $830 in 3 to 4 weeks. But
>again,
>>>> I NEED Verizon because I, as many others also, live in a rural
>area.
>>>> Eventually we will have LTE, but not for 2 to 4 years.
>>>>
>>>> Since these won't be manufactured till months after the fund ends.
>>>> Requesting 1 or 2 thousand CDMA should be that hard. Or since this
>is
>>>> flagged as a "Open Device ” why not pioneer the first LTE capable
>Combo
>>>> phone? CDMA+GSM. Only using the one you need. So later if you wish
>you can
>>>> jump to any carrier you can imagine. Making it Truly Open.
>>>>
>>>> Just some thoughts. God Bless
>>>>
>>>> Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Stores and resellers were not purchasing from indiegogo yesterday.
>>>>> There might have been one or two, but that's simply not what
>happened. This
>>>>> whole campaign is all about individuals buying these phones. I
>don't want
>>>>> to see this campaign fail anymore than you do. People will either
>buy them
>>>>> at $830, or they won't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Omar B. <estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> >So implementing possibilities to "buy" a smartphone with less
>specs isn't
>>>>>> compatible with the goal of this campaign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A little less specs Not being compatible is your opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only fact I see is that they set a goal and would much prefer
>for it to be be reached. Am sure they have months or years planning it
>and waiting for the right moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not so positive if the campaign gets stuck at like 10 or 13
>million, there's not much impact about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even with less specs the phone will be a top tier phone. But what
>really makes the phone is not the hardware, but the software
>combination and possibilities. So it will still do things that many
>others wont. Getting ubuntu to more users and developers hands has
>always been a primary goal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway many resellers got into the 600 promo, but that is over.
>There's no deal or perk for them anymore, so they left. For Stores and
>resellers, 40k limited time phones is not that much if you got them,
>but they don't want to pay full price, because they need to make some
>returns, so they need now perks that give them discounts for a higher
>quantity purchase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>     Josh
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>
>
>-- 
>Sincerely,
>    Josh